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You seem to have missed my point. I'm talking about the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Where is it taught that any OT saints had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit? None of those passages teach that. The disciples were true believers well before they received the Holy Spirit...

We have some people here who cannot even understand the fundamental truths of Christianity. It's very disturbing.

Soul sleep is clearly a false doctrine. 2 Corinthians 5:6 herefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be...

Right. Jesus specifically pointed out that the flood "destroyed them all" and then said "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.". What else could He have been saying except that just as the flood destroyed all unbelievers, all unbelievers will be destroyed when He...

Right. The reference to it being where the dead bodies are and where the vultures/eagles are gathered showed that Jesus was talking about the physical destruction that will occur when He comes. Yes, after He comes and physically destroys them. I never said otherwise. I don't think Jesus had...

I know. Agree 100%. I'm done with this.

I will. I want to believe the truth and I do. You believe falsehood and it's sad to see. Please ask God for wisdom, otherwise there is no hope for you to ever understand the truth (James 1:5-7).

So, why do you have the last days occurring after Christ's second coming instead of between the first and second coming of Christ then?

Up to meet the Lord in the air. That's not the only way to understand what Jesus was saying. I believe they will be left behind on the earth while we are taken up in the air and they will be destroyed by fire. Unbelievers won't really be taken anywhere. They will be killed by the fire that...

Please explain how that is possible in light of what Jesus said in Luke 17:26-37, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

Hello Trevor. Please address the points I made in the original post and then I will address your points. That's only fair, isn't it?

Good grief. Let's not turn this thread into a debate about translations. Please do not derail this thread.

Right. That's really the main point I'm making about the Luke 17:26-37 passage. It does not allow for any unbelievers to survive His second coming. Just like other passages like Matthew 24:34-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Yes, I was aware of this, but did not really want this thread to turn into a discussion about who is taken and who is left. The main point of this thread is to show that regardless of who is taken and who is left, every person that is either taken or left either survives or is killed. The ones...

Do you think that Peter was wrong to apply the time of the last days as including the day of Pentecost? Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the...

It seems that by posting Colossians 1:13 he is acknowledging that we are in Christ's kingdom now, but it seems impossible to ever get a straightforward answer from this guy. He's just winging it.

What do you mean? Are you saying you don't know what the olive tree represents in Romans 11 that Gentiles, represented by wild olive branches from a wild olive tree, are grafted into? Why do you comment so much on things that you know nothing about?

Are you unable to understand that Cornelius was a Gentile? You can't seem to understand even the simplest things. Have you asked God for wisdom yet (James 1:5-7)?

Yes, they most certainly did! There is only one gospel and it includes the death, burial and resurrection of Christ! You don't get it. You have no discernment whatsoever. Absolutely none. What makes Him "Christ the Son of God" is the fact that He was dead and was resurrected to bring eternal...

And, yet, you still don't understand it. So be it. If Jesus is not now literally reigning over all things then that would mean He also right now is not the head over all things in the church.