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  1. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    In the 1960s, in the Pentecostal movement in New Zealand, there arose the "Jesus only" movement which denied the trinity. It was a form of modalism. It split the Pentecostal church right down the middle and caused a lot of conflict among Pentecostal Christians. The "oneness" Jesus only...
  2. Paul Christensen

    When Do We Safely Say That Someone Is Genuinely Healed?

    The fact remains. Evidence for healing is the cessation of symptoms. So, if your child is seriously ill and you pray in faith for healing, and nothing happens, will you still take the child to the doctor, or will you let the child get worse and possibly die? If your child does die from a...
  3. Paul Christensen

    When Do We Safely Say That Someone Is Genuinely Healed?

    I have been reading through F F Bosworth's classic on divine healing. This book has been accepted by traditional Pentecostals as the standard for the divine healing ministry. While I agree with most of the book, and see it is a real faith builder, there is a statement that causes me concern...
  4. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    Further to my previous post about the proper use of the gifts and the use of "thus says the Lord" as inserting inappropriate authority into a prophecy making it difficult for others to judge it. I knew someone in my last Charismatic church who would, when he wanted to give a "word of knowledge"...
  5. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I was involved in the New Zealand Teen Challenge ministry in Palmerston North NZ, but was fortunate to work with a leadership of people from Anglican, Presbyterian, Baptist, and Pentecostal churches. This gave a good balance of teaching, and avoided excessive behaviour. I don't know much about...
  6. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I don't. I was blessed in my early 20s that I was trained in the things of the Holy Spirit by a traditional, old time, Pentecostal pastor who believed that in order to move in the Holy Spirit, one had to be a person of prayer and the Word. He wouldn't have had a bar of churches like Bethel or...
  7. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I don't believe that anyone should say, "Thus says the Lord" as part of a prophecy. Saying it is equal to speaking Scripture, and only the Holy Spirit who inspired written Scripture can do that. When I give a prophecy in a non-Charismatic church (or any other church for that matter), I say...
  8. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    A confession was made by two ladies in the Redding Bethel church that they were given the job of pouring golden glitter into the ventilation system of the church to make it appear that gold dust was falling from heaven upon the people. So, if deception took that form in that church, then one...
  9. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    You are correct. I do have a healthy distrust of abuse of gifts because in my last Charismatic church in the 1970s I saw so much misuse of prophecy and word of knowledge by those who desired power and control over others. I saw others being told they were healed of their sickness when they...
  10. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    When I read your post I immediately thought of David and Jonathan. I believe that was a bond of God, because they were totally loyal to each other and although they were not gay, it was described that their bond was stronger than that of a man and a woman. So, we have in the Bible the...
  11. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    It is interesting that on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came and filled the 120, the description did not include falling backwards, jerking, shaking or convulsive laughter. They did speak in tongues, because it was a gathering for prayer and not a public meeting. But when the...
  12. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I certainly believe that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit are for today's churches. They are gifts to the body of Christ and are not limited to Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. The purpose of the gifts is for the building up and strengthening of the body of Christ. But I don't see a...
  13. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    The problem with Pentecostals and Charismatics is that they treat everything supernatural and every manifestation as coming from the Holy Spirit. It seems that there is little or no perception that a manifestation could come from the flesh or even a demonic kundalini spirit. The Scripture says...
  14. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    It appears to me that you need to be released from a soul bond with that person. It is that soul bond that holds you in bondage to that person. You may be free from him relationship wise, but there is still a spiritual bond that needs to be broken off you so that you can be free. A good...
  15. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    It actually called a root of bitterness, and it can be rooted out only through deliverance through a well-experienced deliverance ministry, and not just falling down backwards after a 10 second prayer at the altar call in a meeting.
  16. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I remember having friends in our local AOG church in Wellington NZ. They attributed every emotional problem as being a spirit of whatever. I disagreed with them over a doctrinal issue and was accused of having a spirit of variance! It sounded so ridiculous to me that I just laughed in his...
  17. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    I can go along with falling down under the influence of the Spirit if it is a one-time event that sets a person free from a bondage, or is a life changing event. But when it happens to the same people every time they come forward for prayer, then I have serious doubts about it being of the...
  18. Paul Christensen

    Sign Gifts Semi-Safe House

    That's a question asked by those who don't speak in tongues and don't intend to in the future.
  19. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I have always enjoyed exchanges with Jane, and she always gives me a run for my money. I wouldn't expect any less from her. I can give it back as much as I take it from her.
  20. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I can't save anyone's soul. Not my role. I can only share the gospel of Christ as I see it. Whether others believe or not is not under my control. Evangelism is not about power and control over others. Bible-bashing people into submission is not genuine evangelism. Evangelism is about...