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You misunderstand because you are reasoning as a fallen man. You don't see or hear the gospel....you are unable to. The logic you are using is man centered and selfish. God's ways are through grace...the miraculous ability to walk worthy of the calling in Christ. Not by OUR power but by His...

The start of a race does not guarantee all will finish. Pride goes before a fall. We have been born again to run a race...not claim we have won. The parable of the talents explains the way God sees our salvation. He gives us grace...for the purpose of winning our souls for Him. If we just are...

Can you cite an example of a church that is not man made????

This thread is divided between those who use grace as a loophole (the way lawyers reason) to get away with sin...a "non-responsibility for sin" clause. While I, and others see grace as the empowerment to obedience in Christ. Grace is not God's soft spot for non-Jews! Grace is not the surrender...

All praise to God! :)

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Amen!!! You have the testimony of Christ! This is not so common these days!

Ahhh the state of the church revealed!!!!

Like fleas arguing over who owns the dog!

Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. This is saying the same thing as the verse you misunderstand. To crucify something is to put it to death. Do you see that? Rom 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you [f]must die; but...

While I understand the motive...I still don't condone it. One error doesn't cover up another.

Exactly....men love to compare themselves with each other. They justify themselves or their group in this way. This is very carnal. But those who do so are still in darkness. Men like to hide behind labels rather than come to the light in humility and brokenness.

Who is doing the interpreting??? No man is justified by a law or a code of conduct. To do so is to set up our own righteousness...comparing ourselves with ourselves. There are indeed laws...but why do we need lawyers to sort them out??? As Christians we are called to eat from a different...

It's just that I can understand why somebody (using carnal reasoning of course) would want to not risk having the unlearned and unstable both deceiving themselves and others through a wacky interpretations. The RC wants unity at all costs. Real spiritual life is far too risky!!! ;)

We can't make a box....put " Holy Mother Apostolic Catholic Church" on the side and then claim that God has to back up the outrageous claim. Jesus Christ builds His own church with His own servants He can raise up from anywhere. Maybe start a propaganda thread but please warn people it is...

I "lifted" this from another site I'm on. It goes a long way in explaining the actual reality of salvation. Salvation Salvation is a large concept in scripture. Noah was “saved” from the floodwaters but 350 years later he was not saved from death. David was saved many times from Saul but...

Human reasoning leads to death.

Paul preached the gospel of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom. These are one gospel which is according to grace. Any confusion is due to a lack of understanding. There is only one gospel.

I used to think this was ridiculous...but the way people twist the meaning of scripture and false pastors warp the minds of their listeners I must say that there is a certain wisdom in this.

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