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Please try a little harder to see the point. I'll try one more time. From what you have said, in your view Revelation 21 refers to a second new heavens and new earth while Isaiah 65 refers to a first new heavens and new earth. Is that correct? If so, keep that in mind while reading this...

You can't even discern what happens to those left behind and who the left behind are. Dear Lord, help this poor soul rebuilder 454 to have discernment since he so clearly is completely lacking in it right now.

Anyone can show verses, but you can't show what they mean. You give ludicrous interpretations of verses that contradict many others.

Your assumptions are all plain dumb and ignorant. And your view is based on nothing more than assumptions. Are you afraid to address the scriptures I used to back up my view? Meanwhile, you respond with only your words and no scripture, which is a total joke, You are the king of claiming you...

So, do you now understand that it's not talking about the judgment of nations since it's talking about eternal destinies, which only applies to individuals?

Now you you're accusing us of preaching a false gospel. What a pathetic joke you have become. You will have to answer for this.

Are you being purposely obtuse and purposely missing my point? Most premils do not see the resurrection of the rest of the dead as including believers. So, where would they say that the resurrection and glorification of those who die during the thousand years is referenced? Why not? How would...

LOL. No, that has not been your point. Your point has been that he rearranged the words as they are in the original Hebrew text, which he did not do. You thinking he changed the meaning of the text/translation is just your opinion that he is misinterpreting the text and nothing more. His...

You are very naive. For all we know? Have you heard of the Internet? In 5 seconds you can do a search on what the Sadducees believed and you will discover that they believed people completely ceased to exist when they physically died. So, Jesus was addressing them based on how they understood...

It's unbelievable to me that you are making no attempt to see my point. It's not apples and oranges in the sense that you you to use the text from English translations to support your understanding of Isaiah 65:20, but when I do that for Daniel 7:13-14, you just dismiss it as if it's not a valid...

It should be obvious that Isaiah 65:20 is figurative because taking it literally the way you do contradicts Revelation 21:4. Why are you not addressing my point? It doesn't say the first new heaven and first new earth. The first heaven and first earth is the current heaven and earth that have...

Can there be both sheep and goats in each of those nations or do you see each nation as including only sheep (the righteous) or only goats (ye cursed)?

You did not such thing. I showed you hands down what will happen to those like the foolish virgins who say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. He will say He doesn't know them and cast them into the fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And you juts ingore that! You...

Exactly. When I read 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 where Paul talks about who we should rely on in order to spiritually discern scripture, I see no mention of AI there.

Agree. The belief that the NHNE has anything to do with the thousand years is just insanely nonsensical and blatantly contradicts what John taught about the new heavens and new earth. He taught the that NHNE is ushered in when this heaven and eatrth pass away. But, those who believe the NHNE is...

LOL. Total nonsense. You like to talk about common sense a lot. Where is the common sense in believing that someone can be conscious, but not alive? LOL. How about you stop this chatgpt nonsense and think for yourself and address what I said using your own brain? Have you come to rely...

I agree, but how do you have any unbelievers surviving that "sudden destruction" that Paul says will come upon those in spiritual darkness and that "they shall not escape"? Agree, but this thread is not about pre-tribs and how they interpret the scriptures I referenced, but about how premills...

Mot premils here don't understand amil, so they attribute false labels to amil like "replacement theology". Who exactly do you think we have being replaced and who replaces them? We see the church as being the spiritual Israel of God and we see it as being a separate entity entirely from...

That's a ridiculous comment to make. We all know there is some figurative text in scripture, so seeing something as figurative does not mean "one could make anything in scripture figurative to uphold any doctrine". I'm sure you believe the east with seven heads and ten horns is figurative...

This is such a weak argument. Explain why God, who is a Spirit, can be alive without a body, but not a human being? But, what are you even saying here? Are you making the argument that the soul and spirit can't be alive without the body? How is that not a description of soul sleep when that is...