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As if that's anything to hide. You are celebrating that I don't want to be part of a nation of which the vast majority rejects Christ? As if there's something wrong with that? Unbelievable.

Straw man argument. We don't want to be part of national Israel. You continue to make a fool of yourself with every post you make.

Are you now trying to backtrack? You quoted Zechariah 14:12 in response to something I said as if it applies to me. Now you're denying it? How about you apologize for doing that instead of acting like you didn't do that? This shows your extreme lack of discernment. You don't need to be in...

Exactly. He's all talk and no substance just like all pre-tribs here are. Notice that they don't even attempt to exegete scripture and present a coherent argument to back up their doctrine. They know they can't do it.

You're the one who needs forgiveness. You need to repent of condemning other people like you do when you apply Zechariah 14:12 to them. About saying the words "trinity" and "rapture" are in the Bible. They are not. But, the concepts are there just like is the case for Spiritual Israel. I am...

And scripture says that His resurrection is the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20), so why can't you put two and two together and see that it's talking about having part in Christ's resurrection in Revelation 20:6?

This proves that you are clueless about what Amils believe, as you've proven many times before already. You're not even trying to understand. When it comes to having part in the first resurrection, we don't say that Jesus alone has part in it. Scripture explicitly teaches that His resurrection...

I didn't ask for forgiveness. I truly think that's what you are. Why are you lying? You can't find the words "trinity" or "rapture" in the Bible. The concepts are there just like in the case of Spiritual Israel. But you lack the discernment to see it. Isn't it interesting how you condemn...

Exactly. The pre-trib idea that those left behind continue to live during a 7 year period of tribulation is not supported at all by the text. Jesus taught that those left behind will all be killed just like those left behind and out of the ark in Noah's day were all killed and those left behind...

Here we go again with this ridiculous nonsense. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Using the kind of logic you're using regarding Revelation 20:6, are the following valid...

I was talking about the land of Israel as it exists now. So, you acknowledge that it will be burned up and "created anew"? That's what will happen to the whole earth, resulting in the new earth that will be the possession of all of God's people for eternity.

Because you have your own carnal understanding of what that means. That's talking about Jesus being a King and reigning, right? He became a King and began reigning long ago already. Nothing. What's wrong is your denial that Jesus is King now and reigns now. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and...

Exactly. Premils do not look at Revelation 20:6 carefully. They don't recognize that having part in the first resurrection is required in order to avoid the second death. And it's not a bodily resurrection that makes it so that we avoid the second death. If that was the case, then those who...

Wrong! Why do you blatantly butcher scripture to make it say what you want it to say? Luke 1:16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children...

Matthew 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

You apparently didn't read my post at all. No, my position is NOT "that we don't become one new man", my position is that the blood of Christ already made us (Jew and Gentile believers) into one new man long ago, as Paul said. Did you not read this: Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye...

Wow. Unbelievable. Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in...

So, you just completely ignore that He said "Elijah has already come"? It's typical of you to cherry pick the parts of scripture that you think support your false doctrine while ignoring the rest, but that's not how this is supposed to work. That's how cults interpret scripture. We know Jesus...

You're not even trying to see my point. Slow down and read what I'm saying carefully. I know you can do it. I know they believe the rapture occurs before the resurrection at the second coming, but I thought you were saying that they believe no resurrection at all occurs before the rapture, but...

They don't claim that no resurrection occurs when the rapture occurs. Where are you coming up with that? Just like pretty much everyone here believes, they believe the dead in Christ are resurrected and then caught up with those who are alive and remain to meet the Lord in the air. that is not...