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Try harder. One is objective. The other is subjective. Objective: Was there wine in Jesus' day? Yes or No. Subjective: Let me tell you how I feel about abuse ...

I don't know what that is. Can I determine for myself what is what without you repeatedly telling me how awful @Adventageous is?

I’m not suggesting what should or should not be a Christian concern. What I am pointing out is the mingling of different topics. NEW THREAD: What bread did Jesus eat at the last supper? ABUSIFIED: Obesity is literally at epidemic proportions in America. Here is my personal story …

I like to think I am everyone’s friend. I hadn’t noticed the things you said on this site.

Abuse could supersede a discussion on any topic. It’s really 2 different topics. NEW THREAD: Disciplining children in Jesus’ time. ABUSIFIED: Most discipline is now called child abuse. Here is my personal story … NEW THREAD: Health care in Jesus’ time. ABUSIFIED: Perhaps the rich got some...

Sad that a Christian discussion on wine in Jesus’ time turns to substance abuse.

Wow! Very shocking Aunty Jane. I sense a lot of projecting in many of your last posts. @Adventageous was using others to proffer up his own doctrines? I’m not sure who is NOT ‘guilty’ of that. I found @Adventageous to be polite, thorough and well researched. Frankly, I found him to be a lot...

I don't get it. The hostility among denominations is not attractive.

Post 676. No response to the idea that right knowledge is a salvation issue means JW's of the past cannot be saved because they believed in celebrating Christmas and that Jesus died on a Cross. This is a powerful contradiction @Aunty Jane. You have nothing to say about your fellow JW of the...

Since the stubborn horse has not replied once in humility, it is far from dead.

Another bite at this apple ... I can explain my beliefs to you. But I cannot understand my beliefs for you. Again, I am not on trial and this is not a court case! I am under no obligation to defend my beliefs. And this is the key part ... I am under no obligation to defend my beliefs - to your...

^ THIS. This post reveals the foundational error of JW's on two scores: Their agenda in knocking on the door. Equating interactions (even with fellow believers) as court cases. Their agenda in knocking on the door I know people are aghast when I compare properly evangelizing with Sales. In...

I agree @RLT63 should have provided a citation. 2 points to ponder: He’s gotten MUCH better at not merely copying and pasting to make his argument. So, there is that. As he replied, the bigger point is NOT where the question originated from but why no straight forward answer? Normally, @Aunty...

You’re asking me? I must have missed when you asked me before.

Now, you are contradicting yourself/playing word games. Sad

Yes. I have a time constraint problem. You seem to think writing a dozen paragraphs is necessary to answer my simple questions. Just an Appeal to Diversion. The 12 paragraph mandate posts is a real problem. It makes you extremely ineffective but we talked about this MANY times before. Simple...

I hope our resident expert in JW dogmas, @Aunty Jane, can confirm the truth of this with a simple 3 or 4 word sentence (and not 12 paragraphs): That is true. That is NOT true. For me, the ‘final test’ is less profound than the obvious IDOLATRY of knowledge, in a works based doctrine that...

Do you see the 3 verses now? Or are you still pretending only your verses are to be allowed on the table for discussion? I’m saying that if want to have this doctrinal discussion, you should open a thread on that topic. This thread seems to be about the IDOLATRY of translations.

This is for a different thread. Having said that, I already provided 3 verses. That your argument is weak, is shown in that you swept the verses aside that go against your doctrine. That has nothing to do with translation.