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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    That is irrelevant. I'm showing you what the words translated as "kept...from" mean. There's no reason to think it means one thing in John 17:15 and something entirely different in Revelation 3:10. Only those who try to make scripture say what they want it to say do that. It is very clear to me...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    Why don't you try reading the rest of the NT? Paul relates Hosea 1:10 to both Jews and Gentiles. Romans 9:24 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Did you read Revelation 22:18-19 carefully? Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    God’s people shall inherit and reign on earth.

    That is what someone with a carnal mind would think. I have not been taught anything. I study scripture for myself. Stop trying to play God. You don't know me at all. What carnally minded person taught you that there are two hours coming when all the dead will be raised even though Jesus said...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Spirits like frogs

    In the book of Revelation the battle is against Christ's church, not Israel. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 13:7 And it was given...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I would not apply Revelation 22:18-19 to them. Believing in pre-trib does not mean someone isn't a Christian. That's a very serious accusation because it means you are saying they are not saved and will experience God's wrath and have their names removed from the book of life. I've had people...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    What does that mean? If that is what "kept from" meant in that verse, then why doesn't it mean that in this verse as well? John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. You don't need to remind me of your false...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    What did I say that you didn't understand?
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    God’s people shall inherit and reign on earth.

    We interpret symbolic text symbolically and literal text literally. You should try it some time. You interpret the following to say that two hours are coming when all the dead will be raised, but it says a singular hour is coming when all of the dead will be raised. John 5:28 Marvel not at...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Unbelievers are thrown into the lake of fire after the thousand years (Revelation 20:15). You're arguing about whether pre-trib premil or post-trib premil is correct and neither are correct. Amillennialism is the only way to reconcile the fact that unbelievers are cast into the lake of fire when...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. Who else but those who are in the church "keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus"?
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Amen. Jesus promises all of us that we will have tribulation in this world, so any who are thinking they will avoid it are fooling themselves. John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You need to stop this "IN Jesus" and "IN Christ" nonsense if you want to be taken seriously. There is no difference between being in Jesus and in Christ. This is what people do when they try to make scripture say that what they want it to say. There is no difference. You're the only one in the...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I don't see anywhere in Acts 15 that requires a Jewish Christian to be circumcised. Tell me where you are seeing that. Why would that be required of them? The veil has been lifted for plenty of Jews who were formerly blinded for the past almost 2,000 years. Notice how Paul hoped to help save...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No, they are not. The old covenant was made obsolete long ago (Hebrews 8:13). Nowhere in Acts 15 does it say that Israelite believers are obligated to continue the old covenant practices. Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    I'm using 1 Peter 2:5-6 to help me understand the context of 1 Peter 2:9. Do you just read individual verses in complete isolation from the rest of scripture without looking at surrounding verses and taking other verses of scripture into consideration for context? 1 Peter 2:5 you also, like...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Agree. Pretribs inexplicably think that verses like those you referenced somehow will no longer apply for a seven year time period before Christ's return. What an insult to all those who in the past almost 2,000 years have faithfully endure tribulation for the sake of Christ to say that everyone...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It boggles my mind when pretribs associate a verse about Christ to an Antichrist instead. It doesn't get any worse than that.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Right. Pretribs are constantly conflating tribulation for believers in the form of persecution and such with God's wrath and that's one reason why their doctrine is so messed up.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    And I correctly showed you that the mystery Paul revealed was that Christ is the husband to his wife, the church. Think about it. Who else has a personal, intimate spiritual relationship with Christ except for those who are in His church? You're turning something simple into something convoluted...