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  1. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Only this year were my eyes opened to the manipulation of capitalization by trinitarian translators. And I have @Aunty Jane to thank for showing me the light. A full understanding juxtaposes 4 words: god lord father YHWH 4. The word YHWH is translated into English Jehovah. @Aunty Jane pointed...
  2. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    A point I have made over the years is that the reason trinitarians MUST believe "word" refers to Christ is because the Biblical support for the man-is-god thesis is otherwise so weak. Therefore, they must resort to taking figurative language and insisting only a trinitarian interpretation is...
  3. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Thanks! I totally enjoy my non-mystical perspective and you dancing around simple questions in a desperate attempt to divert attention from the subject at hand. War is bad. Prosperity is good. God has more mystery and wonders than we know.
  4. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    So what? Why down play the 'basic understanding' he gave us through Scripture but play up the mystical majesty and wonder? This thread is NOT about 'mystical majesty and wonder' but about knowing - which even 'basic understanding' is knowing - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God...
  5. Wrangler

    Spotting Heretics

    Sad. You are a bad witness. So dishonest and willfully ignorant. You cannot address the fallacy of your own ideology. EVEN IF Peter only was given the keys, it does not extend to the RCC. Instead of addressing this, you just ignore it. Said. RCC, the original heretics.
  6. Wrangler

    Spotting Heretics

    There is a difference between having an honest disagreement from being dishonest. You say 'binding and loosening' is different than having the keys. We say they are the same. What makes them different matters?
  7. Wrangler

    Spotting Heretics

    LOL It was already repeatedly disproved multiple ways. EVEN IF only Peter were given the keys, you again prove your denomination asserting a claim of authority it does not have. 'Only Peter' means, by definition, no other human people, including, none of the other Apostles and none of the other...
  8. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Pure mysticism. You assert something is true, then blame reason and language for your failure to factually support what you claim is true. Appeal to Strawman. No one is 'refusing to allow for the mystery of the otherness of God.' We are just not violating Mark 7:13, in speculating beyond the...
  9. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    You mean like Jesus is either a man or a god and cannot be both?
  10. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I’ve mentions this. They respond super literal, that Gnosticism was a 2nd century movement.
  11. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Doh! You forgot about the artificial parsing of synonyms, 'person' from 'Being.' When I ask for a verse that makes this distinction, their funny appeal to mysticism emerges. Something like, only people who believe as I do are part of the Spirit body, you gots to believe and then it will make...
  12. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Akin to their reading of Scripture. Only verses in support of their doctrine are allowed on the table for discussion. Their rationalization for verses that undermine the trinity is something to behold.
  13. Wrangler

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    Yea! Who needs facts, logic, moral standards and explicit teachings in Scripture when they undermine one’s desire for control and power over people?
  14. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    It is amazing how the trinity gained so much traction in the church. Rubenstein's book, How Jesus Became God, at the close of the Roman Empire shows the political motivations for the absolute ruler, the Roman Emperor to squash ALL thoughts regarding disunity. This put him in bed with the...
  15. Wrangler

    Alone too much

    Fellowship is vital sister. Other than church, people organize around ACTION. I have friends from church BECAUSE we play tennis together. Another group plays Pickle Ball. When I was out for an injury, I noticed the call frequency drop. Fair weather friends, friends that aren't friends? Is there...
  16. Wrangler

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    Thank God! Thank God for Protestantism leading to a bulwark against globalism! As a freedom loving American, I reject Communism, marketed as 'equality' as my legacy sounds similar but is profoundly different, a reliance on recognizing equal rights. These equal rights are not bestowed by men...
  17. Wrangler

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    There is your use of the capital C, denoting a denomination known as RCC. Speaking of ignorance. I couldn't help noticing that you did not answer my question. To paraphrase it to be more palatable to you, pretend 'RCC' only says 'CC.'
  18. Wrangler

    Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

    Not true. It was unilaterally changed by a subset of the original authorities. Sad you keep pushing this lie. But I realize you have to.