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How do you read ‘For us, there is one God, the Father?’ 1 COR 8:6. It is hard to construct a stronger anti-trinitarian statement.

Me too. I recall the priest giving the impression that even a copy we might touch is too holy as it’s contents can hardly be understood by the greatest theologians over 1,000’s of years, let alone a layman. Additionally, our desire to read it ourselves WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A PRIEST reveals a...

Wow! What Bible are you reading? Off the top of my head, God kicked man out of Eden; Joshua’s conquest of Canaan at God’s command; David killing Goliath and taking back the kingdom from his traitorous son Absolom; the book ends with Jesus return as a military conqueror. Even Jesus went berserk...

I’m not sure what thread it was but the other day someone rebuked the Appeal to Strawman of ‘only’. It is a simple fact that any title is ‘only’ a title and it adds no value to say so, e.g., president. But no one is only the title they hold. Generally, you refer to someone by their highest...

The best translation is the one that brings you closer to God.

If Jesus were God incarnate who merely took on the form of a man and only appeared to die, it has no theological significance at all, for God is all powerful and can do anything. 1 Timothy 2:5 (NLT) There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus...

It is sad that trinitarians equate not accepting Jesus as God as not respecting the Savior of the World properly, as if that is a title of put down.

Not an answer to my question. Trinitarians cannot answer such questions because it reveals their contradictions or double standards. If Jesus is God because he came from God, then everything is God because everything came from God. The proposition is ridiculous and trinitarians have no where...

LOL Nothing there says Jesus is God. Trinitarians know this and why they have to resort to verses that talk of reflections, forms, and image. When you look into a mirror, it reflects your image but it is still not you. This is as clear as a bell: For us, there is one God, the Father.’ 1 COR 8:6

Even here, the doctrine remains inherently contradictory. Exclusivity applies when one says X is Y and not equal to X is part of Y. Stated mathematically 1=1 1 = 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 1 <> 1+1+1 So, we can say the Father is God because Scripture explicitly says that over and over again. But we...

Same here! Except the grandmother part, they were both devout Catholics. In CCD, we were not taught out of the Bible but a thing of man called a catechism.

This is yet another example of losing the argument and having to resort to some kind of gratuitous and personal attack of a group (in this case, Mormons).

You do realize ‘the Son of God’ is a title. Right? Acts 17:31 informs us that God (in his unitarian nature) selected the man Jesus. This is not the language of kinship. This is not the language of self-selection of a deity.

The Bible is a highly figurative book. We speak this way today, referring to death metaphorically. Example: ‘He is dead to me.’ The ‘to me’ context alerts us to the metaphorical nature of the statement. Parallel to this is the Bible using the word sleep metaphorically as death. Your basic...

Appeal to Ignorance. You are using what Jesus did NOT say - the absence of evidence as evidence. “I am” is not an identification of deity nor what God actually said to Moses. That you have to refer to such weak references to violate the Sh’ma, 1C and explicit text that only the Father is God...

Christophany, what are you doing in this thread? It is a question for those who have heard all the arguments for the trinity and rejected them. Your, ‘next’ signature reveals a haughty heart.

We came from God. Does that make us God?

No but I have plent of reasons to question dubious interpretations that contradict explicit text. What I quoted is proof text that God lies and commands lies. What you quoted but overlooked is based on a hope. You can’t differentiate between allowing, commanding and doing the act yourself?

1 Kings 22:19–23 Speaks for itself. Are you denying God commanded a Spirit to lie to 400 prophets?

I must have not been clear. There is no doubt from Scripture that Jesus is the Son of God. The point was about the ‘son ship. I took that term to be synonymous with God head. Was that incorrect?