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  1. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    What bothers me so much is trinitarians make their doctrine - wholly absent from Scripture - to be THE requirement for salvation. It does not seem to trouble them in the least that if this most important belief is true, that God would not find it appropriate to make it as explicit as possible...
  2. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    What a surprise, just ignore explicit verses that go against your doctrine. What in the world makes you think Isaiah 9:6 applies to Jesus?
  3. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Trinitarians resort to ignoring or subordinating explicit teachings in Scripture to inferences (reading their doctrine into the non-trinitarian text), dualism and mystical artificial synthesis. Thus, definition, logic and language usage are their enemies at every turn.
  4. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    You are confounding different things. Yes, All of the scripture fits together. 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6, a stronger anti-trinitarian statement is hard to imagine. From this perspective and Jesus own words, you have to look at John 1:1 - Jesus’ own explicit statement is...
  5. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It is mind numbing to me also. The trinitarians mental gymnastics are amazing! Not only is Jesus obviously a man, the proof that he is NOT God is that Jesus died. This is proof text that Jesus is not God, since God is eternal, as you have pointed out so well. In another thread the response was...
  6. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    Regarding the OP's question, 'Is Christ God?' The answers should be no or yes. The title Christ means Messiah which means Anointed. Jesus is anointed by God. Being the Son of God, means he is 'of God' which is how you know he is not God. Although 'of God' means Jesus is divinely appointed...
  7. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Great point!! If Jesus were God incarnate who merely took on the form of a man and only appeared to die, it has no theological significance at all, for God is all powerful and can do anything. 1 Timothy 2:5 (NLT) There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man...
  8. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    Now you are just re-stating your position, which severerly compromises Scripture. Jesus explicitly said that he has a God (John 20:17) and Jesus’ God is the only true God (John 17:3). That's good enough for me.
  9. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    Circular Reasoning. You are leading with your conclusion, make an unwarranted assumption, then pretend the words God spoke were spoken by somebody else. Who said "This is my son in whom I am well pleased?" It was not Jesus speaking these words, the words of God. The word became flesh, not...
  10. Wrangler

    For those who think Christ is not God.

    Jesus most certainly is inferior to God! Jesus died. God did not. Jesus did not so love the world that he gave God! But God so loved the world that he gave his procreated Son, only begotten at the time. How else do you explain 1 COR 11:3? And Jesus himself admitting God knows more than he and...
  11. Wrangler

    Did Jesus die on Friday?

    Agreed but again, not relevant to what I was saying is irrevelant. Regardless of "new life" or [the Greek word egertheénai, which has to do with restoring someone's life rather than improving their quality of life], it is alignment with 3 days that matter.
  12. Wrangler

    God's Personal Name & New World Translation

    In the Complete Jewish Bible, YWH is spelled out as Adonai. I did not realize the term applied to other lords. For instance Ps 110:1 reads ‘Adonai said to my lord.’
  13. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    My take on the time interval was so man would have the benefit of all this time to be convinced we cannot be holy on our own.
  14. Wrangler

    Should Christianity be less political?

    Yes, Christians should be more involved in politics. Recently it was said that the evangelical block in the US represents 70 M voters, the largest voting block. The kingdom of God is here, now. It makes no sense to me that we have God lead our lives, our families, our communities - but not our...
  15. Wrangler

    Place to Stay for a Couple Weeks

    Camping this time of year is a good option.
  16. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Great, great points! Welcome Rich R.
  17. Wrangler

    God's Personal Name & New World Translation

    This thread was inspired by another great one by @Aunty Jane in the thread about your favorite English translation. The last part proved again Hebrews 4:12, the word of God is alive; I keep thinking about the Lord's Prayer and Hallowed be thy name. And that begs the question, what is God's...
  18. Wrangler

    Is Jesus Really GOD? Part 3

    ‘In the form’ of MEANS he is not God. My cookie jar is in the form of a bear; it is not what it is in the form of. For us, there is one God, the Father. Proves only the Father is God.
  19. Wrangler

    Fundamentalist Christianity is fear-based?

    What is your 'other faith?"
  20. Wrangler

    Divinity Verses Deity of Jesus Christ.

    All you do is repeated your limited vocabulary. Again, honoring God, keeping the 1C, is not dishonoring anyone, including Jesus. Please refer to the verse in Scripture that says if you do not call Jesus God incarnate, it is dishonoring Christ?