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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I can't understand the mindset of some of these people who just believe everything their favorite Bible teacher says without studying scripture for themselves. They need to read Acts 17:10-11 and learn that they should be like the Bereans. They have no ability to back up their beliefs with...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    We don't come to this site only to be directed to other sites. We can't talk to the people who are talking in the article or videos that you link, so what good is that? You can't expect people to want to go to other sites or watch videos from other people when we're posting here. I have no...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Where have you or any other pre-trib proven anything. I only see your opinions without any support from scripture being provided. Can you use scripture to show why you believe what you do? Your opinions alone are not convincing.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It's a common theme with pre-tribs. It's almost as if being immature, judgmental and rude is a requirement for being pre-trib. At least, on this forum, anyway.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I hope you grow up some day so that you can take part in adult Bible discussions. Until then, you probably should just read and learn and not post much (if at all).
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    No one is saying they help raise the dead (only God can raise the dead), so stop misrepresenting my view in that way. I've corrected you on that a few times already and you keep saying it. That makes me think you purposely misrepresent my view. The angels help gather the dead in Christ AFTER...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    That is based on your assumption that what is described in Revelation 19 occurs before what is described in Revelation 20. But, it doesn't. Interpreting Revelation 19 and 20 the way you do contradicts other scriptures, so you have to take those into account as well. But, it seems that you don't...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    I have tons of scripture to support my amil view. Do you want me to post all of the scripture that I use to support my view in one post? I don't just interpret passages in isolation the way you do, so I'd need to show why I believe what I do using a lot of scripture. Which I have done many...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    I thought you were saying that because I thought you recognized that the shout is from the voice of the archangel. But, I guess not. I believe the shout, the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God all refer to the same thing. You can see in Revelation 10:7 that the seventh trumpet is also...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    That's your assumption, which is wrong. I'm not obligated to agree with your false assumptions. I believe Revelation 20:9-15 is parallel to Revelation 19:11-21. Are you able to understand that the events described in Revelation are not all in chronological order? The most obvious example of that...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Jesus is not an archangel. You are mistaken. The shout is by way of the voice of the archangel (probably Michael) who will be leading the rest of the angels when they come with Jesus. That voice of the archangel is figuratively called "the trumpet of God". The seventh trumpet is also called "the...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You didn't answer my question. I'm asking you what is the difference between "the uttermost pat of the earth" and "the uttermost part of heaven". Based on what you've said, it seems that you think those phrases both mean the same thing. Is that correct? If not, then what is your understanding of...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    Because that is what scripture teaches. You take Revelation 11:13 literally, but not the following passage. How convenient. 2 Peter 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    You continue to insist on taking 1 Thess 4:16 out of context. Unbelievers are not even in view in 1 Thess 4:14-17, so the order of resurrections is not what Paul is alluding to in that verse. Instead, he is pointing out how the dead in Christ have to first be resurrected before they are caught...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The time, times, and a half does not include the season and time, which is the thousand years.

    You, of course, have no idea of what you're talking about, as usual, but tell me one time when Amils have contradicted our view. Certainly there's no way that could be the case if your flawed literal approach to the most highly symbolic book in scripture was the correct one. But, it's not...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    This is the problem we're continually running into in the post-trib vs. pretrib debate. It seems that pretribs typically associate the tribulation only with God's wrath while post-tribs associate the tribulation with persecution against believers and a high level of deception, apostasy...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The word "the" was added by the translators there. Other translations just have "great tribulation" instead of "the great tribulation". All believers go through great tribulation, so it makes no sense to think that refers only to people who are martyred during a short period of time in the...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    It's the MO of all pretribs, apparently. We can't get a single pretrib to actually exegete scripture and show how exactly it supports their doctrine. Notice how he didn't bother addressing what I said about Luke 17:26-37. He knows that passage does not support pre-trib or else he would have...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You cut it short before looking at the scripture which contradicts your pre-trib doctrine? How convenient. Can you tell me how you can reconcile your view with the passage I quoted from Luke 17:26-37? It's quite telling that you didn't bother addressing what I said about that passage. Is it...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

    That's not really the same context as what I was thinking, but, sure, you can go with that if you want.