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I don't need to do that because I know they're wrong. Justin Martyr, in one of his writings in the 2nd century, indicated that there were many true Christians who did not agree with his premil belief. These beliefs have been around from the beginning and disagreements like we still have today...

You understand that I agree with this, right? I just don't think it happens 1,000+ years after Christ returns like you do. So, seeing how you acknowledge that 2 Peter 3:10, which is about the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night, is talking about the literal destruction of this...

Right. They won't admit it, but they see the first 69 weeks as each being seven years in duration and they have stretched the 70th week to almost 2,000 years now. Also, it says that the Messiah would be cut off after the 69th week. His death is absolutely crucial to the fulfillment of the things...

Agree. We see how literal they actually are when we present scriptures like Matthew 24:35-39, John 5:28-29, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-13. All of a sudden they aren't so literal anymore when it comes to passages like those. Even though there's no indication in the context of those...

I completely disagree with your interpretation of the passage. I think he was clearly speaking of physical destruction, as was Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-12. Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label...

It's a pre-trib rapture they believe in, not a pre-mill rapture. Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 make it clear that the rapture is post-trib. But, yes, the idea of a rapture to heaven is not taught in scripture anywhere.

Agree. I can't comprehend how they are willing to be so dishonest with scripture like that to the point of coming up with completely ludicrous interpretations like that one and the one that says the "sudden destruction" is emotional destruction. Wow. Emotional destruction from which they shall...

Total nonsense. You have no idea of what you're talking about. 1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did...

I see no explanation for the description of "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" here. Are you a full preterist? Do you believe in the future bodily coming of Jesus Christ? How would you describe your beliefs? Is there any label that would help identify it?

Oh, now you suddenly don't care who started Amil after lying and saying that Augustine started it. You're backtracking after I showed evidence that people believed it before Augustine did. It's true, but you clearly only believe what you want to believe when it comes to Revelation 20. You have...

Not really sure what you're saying here, so can you be more specific? What is the "sudden destruction" that Paul said would occur unexpectedly as a thief on the night upon the arrival of the day of the Lord from which "they shall not escape"? The sudden destruction of what exactly from which...

I'd just like to remind everyone one more time of what you said about the following passage: 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as...

This is your understanding of 2 Peter 3:10-12? I assume so since this was your response after 2 Peter 3:10 was quoted to you. Is that your understanding of the following passage, also? 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the...

You were asked to show where any prophecy involving a certain amount of time had any gaps in it and you failed to do that. You know there is no such thing. Your arguments are weak. There is no basis whatsoever for putting a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks. Do you understand that all of the...

No, we don't. Grow up and learn to read, Douggg. There are no charts in scripture. We can explain what we believe using words. If you can't, then too bad for you. The rest of us can do that without a problem.

LOL. Show me that in scripture. Where does scripture teach that? Nowhere. I don't care about your useless charts. It's no wonder you resort to charts, since you can't quote scripture to support your false doctrine. How can the day of the Lord continue forever when it consists of the sudden...

LOL! You are the one who brought up Augustine, not me. You foolishly claim that Amil was started by him, but you don't even want to talk about who he is. He's nothing to me, that's for sure. And he didn't start Amil as you foolishly claim. Your can't support your weak doctrine with scripture so...

This says it all. You offer nothing of substance to this discussion. No point in even trying to talk to you anymore.

True. Let's not waste any more time on someone who says such things about scripture.

Right. And who said otherwise? Certainly not me. Exactly. And, again, who said otherwise? Certainly not me. What is the point of these questions? We believe the pre-trib rapture is theory, to be clear. We believe in a post-trib rapture with the understanding that the trib refers to a time of a...