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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    So, you just repeated yourself and didn't address my points directly at all. Discussion over.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    You want it to be both symbolic and literal. It makes no sense. The whole description of Satan's binding is symbolic and we need to then discern what it symbolically represents. Satan himself cannot be bound with a chain. That's ridiculous. It says the dragon, which symbolically represents...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    You act as if you recognize that the description of his imprisonment is symbolic, but then you proceed to take it literally as if it's talking about Satan being thrown into a literal place called the abyss. It doesn't make sense. Do you understand that symbols don't have to resemble what they...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    Weak response, as usual. Nowhere does anything you said there in that post prove that any mortal unbelievers will survive Christ's return. The few left refer to the few chosen believers which are the few who follow the narrow path to salvation. You ignore all these passages which show all...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    Because you said "On the contrary, the abyss is undoubtedly a geographical place known as the ocean, but John uses symbolic language to describe what will happen to Satan. In reality Satan will be unable to interact with anyone during the millennial period.". What did you mean then? You acted as...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    He will destroy them. A rod of iron is used for destruction. How can He rule over those He has just destroyed? Please read Psalm 2:7-9. How can He rule over people that He has just "broken" in such a way that it is compared to a potter's vessel being dashed into pieces? Read Revelation...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    Where do you see a thousand years fitting in these descriptions of the day of the Lord? 1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    Yes, that is what you believe and that is what all amils believe, but I'm saying that most premils do not believe that. You thought everyone agreed with you about this, but that is not the case. Most premils see the age to come as referring to the millennial period.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No idea. In your original post you summed up what you said by saying "All the scriptures agree there is no resurrection of the dead or the living in Christ until “the last day,”and at “the last trump.”. How is that unorthodox? Scripture is clear that the dead in Christ will be resurrected on the...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You are changing John 5:28-29 to make it fit your doctrine. Jesus said that ALL of the dead will be resurrected in the same hour that He said is coming. You change that to only SOME of the dead being resurrected when that hour comes. LOL. You don't even want to look at the scriptures that your...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    You think that Satan will be bound in the ocean? How can that be possible? Your thinking is always carnal and never spiritual. You don't know if demons are spirits? How can they possess people if they are not spirits? Premils always highlight Satan roaming around like a lion, but never talk...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    Amen! I think one reason premils have trouble understanding this is because of what they see in the world today without thinking about how it was in OT times compared to how things have been through most of the NT times until more recently. They need to think about the tremendous change in the...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    Exactly. Satan doesn't win by physically killing Christians since they then go to heaven afterwards. He cannot kill our soul, as Jesus Himself pointed out.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    What does the text indicate? You don't have to speculate about this. Revelation 19:15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    LOL. You are so naive. No, most premils would say that the age to come is not referring to the eternal new heavens and new earth, but rather to the supposed future thousand years on earth after Christ's second coming. Christ will return at the end of this age (Matt 24:3) at which point the age...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    So, as a premil, you are saying that 2 Peter 3:10-12, which describes destruction occurring in conjunction with the day of the Lord, has to do with a time 1,000+ years after Christ's second coming. Do you believe the following occurs 1,000+ years after Christ's second coming, also? 1...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    They are the unbelievers who are destroyed by fire at His second coming (2 Thess 1:7-9, 2 Peter 3:10-12). The few men left who survive His second coming are believers! The few who are chosen and few who travel the narrow way are believers (Matt 22:1-14). I've asked you multiple times what...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    Right. Surely, the "few men left" cannot possibly be mortal unbelievers because Paul taught that mortal unbelievers will all be killed when Christ returns. He will take vengeance on all of them. There is no indication that any of them will survive. Only believers whose bodies are changed to be...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    You are taking 2 Peter 3:8 completely out of context. 2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    A few shall be left

    Amen. Matthew 25:31-46 portrays the second coming of Christ after which the righteous inherit "life eternal" in the kingdom of God and the wicked are cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". As Paul indicated, mortal "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"...