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Well I fear your editorial here is a veiled attempt to justify reinterpreting SCriptures. We can find many applications from verses in Scripture- that is the divine mystery and majesty of Gods Word. but there still is only one interpretation! gentiles will celebrate teh feast of tabernacles...

I agree. But we who are gentiles have this tendency to forget that Jesus was Jewish, lived in a jewish culture and fully understood the Jewish mindset and until the blasphemy of the Spirit in Matthew 12 was proclaiming the Jewish Messianic Kingdom. so way too many people mysticize, allegorize...

So then you believe Jesus came 483 days after Artaxerxes issued the command ot rebuild Jerusalem. So according to you Jesus came in 457 B.C. but if you had taken the time to look up the original language you would see Daniel was told 70 7's. context for time determines whether it is seven...

Well it was you who said water meant baptism, and I am just trying to figure out which baptism you are referring to. Nicodemus had been baptozed many times as per Jewish pharasaic Judaism

I have been arguing exactly this and everyone here has tolds me I am full of prunes! being born of water is a euphemism for natural or flesh birth!

But you forget this is Jesus a Jew speaking to a Jewish rabbi of rabbi's, in a Jewish culture with a Jewish mindset. He is not speaking to gentiles. Jesus used the word baptism many times. The only time Jesus used water metaphorically or symbolically was in John 4 with the woman at teh well...

Well I looked at two Greek NT's and there is no definite article sorry.

But when you add a preposition it does

Yes He is called the Spirit of Truth. Why" because He proceeds from THE TRUTH who is Jesus and bears witness of THE Truth. but the SPIRIT is never called teh TRUTH. there is aq big difference in those .

Wow and you accuse me of mishandling the Word of God? JOhn 6:63: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Jesus was speaking of the wordsa he speak not the THE WORD is Spirit. John 14:6 Yes Jesus...

And how do I do that?

I invite as well. It is in Yeshua , life ot he Messiah from a Jewish perspective page 45

Now just give biblical proof for your assertion that being born of the Word and the Spirit is one event! th eLiving Word is Jesus and He is not the Spirit and we are born again by the pirit. Please show me where we have to be born of the Word somewhere other than you using water here...

so be it. So God cannot reveal a truth to Paul until He first had JOhn write it down? Proof? At least I can point to romans to show it true- what do you point to?

Sadly most english versions are weak in this aramaic. For sea and ground are not synonymous. Sea is symbolic of gentiles while ground is symbolic of the world while they are cloise thery are also different. but no I do not believe thatJesus meant that. but I do noknow that when words are...

Well the grammar is what determines the fact they are two separate births. so it is not begging the question. The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. YOu have a compound in the second half of the...

Sorry but the triune formula of baptism di dnot come into being until at least 3 yearts after Jesus told Nicodemus He has to be born of water and the spirit! You were talking Johns Baptism which was another and new baptism for Israel. You can't squirm out of what you wrote previously.

But we are not talking about flesh gives birth to flesh- we arew talking about being born of water. Now prove it is a metynomy.

Other than what I wrote and the non internet references- No. If that is not enough for you- then fine! You can accept your metaphorical definition of it instead.

Well Nicodemus had faith in the Word! But as we are required to have faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus alone for salvation- your argument is weak. One can be saved and reject a literal genesis and believe evolution which is not the word. One can be saved and not know anything other...