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Do you think that Christ's kingdom does not yet exist in any way, shape or form? Is it your belief that the soul and spirit of the thief on the cross and other believers are not in paradise right now? If so, where do you think they are? It seems like you are saying that the thief on the cross...

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Did you not read this verse? It refers to the Son of man, which obviously represents Jesus, coming with the clouds...

LOL. Imagine if I asked you that question. What would you think? What is your point here? I look at the woman similarly to the natural olive tree that Paul described in Romans 11:17-24. The unbelieving Israelites, represented by natural branches, were broken off of the natural olive tree and...

Look at the passage he quoted to support what he was saying, which is Revelation 14:9-11. He is saying he believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire which has to be the most ridiculous belief imaginable.

Yes, exactly. After Christ came they obviously were no longer without Christ and therefore also no longer without hope and without God in the world. Did I say that? No, I did not. You are missing the point, so I will have to spell it out for you. I'm saying that the light of the gospel, of...

How does this address what I said exactly? Was Paul wrong when he said the Gentiles in OT times had "no hope" and were "without God in the world"? Sure, there were some exceptions to that, but Paul was speaking generally about how it was during that time for most of the world. In Noah's day only...

It boggles my mind that anyone can think Daniel 9:24 can be fulfilled apart from Christ's death and resurrection. How else can reconciliation be made for iniquity apart from His shed blood? There is no other way. Any doctrine which does not have His death within the 70th week is clearly a false...

It never indicates that any unbelievers are among her offspring. If the woman represented earthly Israel then unbelieving Israelites would be her offspring as well, but that is not the case. I'm done talking about this. Believe what you want. I know the woman represents Spiritual Israel rather...

The clouds of heaven are angels. Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Surely, the clouds of the sky did not bring Jesus before God the Father in heaven...

What do you mean by "many"? I'd say there were relatively few Gentile believers in OT times and certainly far less than in NT times. That's why Paul said this about the Gentiles of OT times: Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called...

The soul and spirit are not separated from each other (Hebrews 4:12). Where did Jesus's spirit go when He died? To the Father. Where is the Father? In heaven ("Our Father who art in heaven..."). So, I don't know what YOUR deal is with saying that His soul didn't go to heaven when He died. Luke...

No, it absolutely does not mean that. It is a figurative reference for the grave. The place where people are buried under the earth's surface. The human heart is NOT in the center of the body, but it IS under and within the outer part of the body. Likewise, the heart of the earth is not on the...

Why do you take that literally? You think there will actually be two guys walking around literally blowing fire out of their mouths that kills people? LOL! No, it's symbolically presenting the powerful preaching of the gospel which torments those who reject it.

Exactly. It seems that premils do not want to even acknowledge the current existence of His kingdom, which is ridiculous. He is our King right NOW! How could any Christian think otherwise? Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign...

Maybe we should rename this thread to "The absurdity of pretrib and premil logic".

LOL! You're proving even more that you don't know who I am. I never run away from an argument. But, I do not want to waste any more of my time arguing against complete, utter, total nonsense like you believe. LOL! You are a comedian. You are here to perform your standup act? A flood of sorts...

LOL. What gives you the impression that the book of Revelation was written in such a way to spell everything out and make everything clear to everyone? The book was purposely "signified" (Rev 1:1) which means it was purposely symbolized so that only discerning believers could understand it...

LOL. Yeah, I didn't actually think at all that you were disagreeing with what I said since I know that you see the fulfillment of Isaiah 11:10 being shown as relating to the NT era in Romans 15:12 as well.

Wow. What in the world is going on here? We're obviously not on the same page at all. Of course I'm not saying that about Daniel 9:26. Good grief. This is a waste of time. There's no point in continuing this discussion.

Never. Your lack of ability to discern who I am as a person matches your lack of ability to discern what scripture teaches.