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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. I thought maybe you were suddenly turning on me for some reason (not really...I knew you didn't realize you were talking to me).
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Nope. But, that's what premils think that means. Who are you talking to here exactly? You replied to my post, but I think you were intending to say this to someone else.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Agree. I think we'd get a better and more convincing response from the wall.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That analogy does not apply to what Satan's binding entails. The following describes Satan being bound (assuming you understand that the strong man represents Satan): Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Exactly! Trying to get them to actually exegete scripture seems impossible. They just won't do it. They know that scripture does not support their doctrine once you actually take a closer look at what it actually teaches, so they avoid exegeting scripture at all costs.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Of course he doesn't and no one who actually reads Revelation 14 carefully thinks it is portraying an earthly scene rather than a heavenly scene. It talks about the 144,000 being "before the throne of God" (Rev 14:5) and having been redeemed "from the earth" (Rev 14:3). The throne of God is in...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Exactly. After the tremendous progress that was made because of Christ's death and resurrection, which ushered in the better new covenant (Heb 8:6-7), and the subsequent preaching of the gospel that shined light on the entire world, premils expect things to regress when Christ returns, thereby...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, it is. And Paul applied it to the New Testament era. He referenced Isaiah 11:10 in the following passage in reference to the New Testament era when the Gentiles have come to salvation because of what Jesus Christ has done after previously having mostly "no hope" and being "without God in...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Revelation 9 and 12 have already been referenced, so I won't repeat what was already said about those chapters, but I believe Revelation 17 also can be used as evidence that Satan is bound during the NT era. Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Isaiah 11:9-10, in particular, refers to the New Testament era, which is what Paul applied it to here: Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: 9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Premils have no choice but to deny that Abaddon/Apollyon is another name for Satan because they know that if it is referring to Satan, then it's indicating that he will be loosed at the fifth trumpet BEFORE Christ's second coming. Revelation 9 is STRONG evidence in favor of Amillennialism. If...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, I didn't say that. I'm saying that I believe Jesus will destroy His enemies who are on the earth in a moment just like we all will be changed in a moment. I believe at that point time ends and eternity begins and the judgment takes place in eternity. Why not let scripture be your guide? You...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    What in the world are you talking about? Are you denying that the soul and spirit of the thief on the cross are in paradise/the third heaven now with Christ? I think it's becoming clear why you can never believe in Amil. You can't believe in soul sleep, as it seems like you do (notice I said...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    Is this a serious question? It benefited him by the fact that he went to paradise instead of hell the day he died! I'd say that was quite a great benefit! Do you not think the thief on the cross was saved? Do you not think he passed from being dead in his sins to being spiritually alive in...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Nonsense! Are you denying the bodily resurrection of the dead unto bodily immortality that will occur at the last trumpet when Jesus comes again (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54)? The eternal age to come will not be ushered in until then! At that point death will be "swallowed up in victory" (1 Cor 15:54)...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I'm not saying the clouds are referring to literal clouds, but "in the air" means in the earth's atmosphere away from the surface of the earth. It says "caught UP to meet Christ in the air". You do believe He went UP into the air (the sky) when He ascended to heaven, don't you? As it indicates...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Goodness gracious, you are trying to make scripture say whatever you want it to say. This is ridiculous. 2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Canl those who are alive and remain until Christ returns ever die? No. So, it doesn't have to only refer to those who are resurrected. I don't know what you're talking about. Jesus contrasted this age with the age to come. So, in your view, what is the difference between "this age" and "the age...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Oh, really? The word "rapture" refers to the church being caught up to meet Christ. Is the following passage in your Bible? 1 Thess 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is all complete nonsense. Jesus was referring to the literal heaven and earth passing away just as Peter did in 2 Peter 3:7;10-12. Peter compared the future day when heaven and earth will pass away to what happened in the flood (2 Peter 3:6-7) just as Jesus did (Matt 24:35-39). They were...