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I haven’t ignored the centurions. I’ve addressed it in this thread as well as in other threads on this forum.

I took @markalan seriously. You didn’t?

What percentage of US adults own a gun? Do you know? It doesn’t have to be. But even if it were, I’m prepared for it, just as the earliest followers of Jesus were. Go back to the example that @Debp gave. See post #64.

In the scenario that’s been presented to me it was asserted that one must use a weapon to prevent innocent school children from being harmed. It has been presented as a moral issue. How are you going to use a gun to prevent innocent school children from being harmed - assuming that it is a...

It’s not the business of Jesus, the apostles, and the followers of Jesus. That’s not what you said earlier.

Then let’s put the question to you that @markalan put to me. How are you going to prevent it?

No. Not to kill someone. It wasn’t a trick reply. Would you loan me your gun?

I would ask to borrow your gun.

I would certainly pray. Wouldn’t you? But I would do more than that. Do you own a firearm?

You’ve made the assumption that if I were armed with a weapon of the world that I would be able to do what even the police aren’t certainly able to do. Even if you were to show up at a school crime scene armed to the teeth with firearms - and assuming the police didn’t mistake you for the...

Do you own a weapon?

However I would choose to intervene, it would not involve me using a weapon of the world.

I would not “allow an unlimited number of little children in a school to be slaughtered rather than intervene.”

Neither Jesus not Paul killed anyone to do it. We’ve not been able to agree on that. Yes. That’s the role of the state. That’s a bad assumption on your part. Others here are aware of my work intervening on behalf of neglected, abused, and at risk children.

You’ve said that killing an enemy for the greater good is still murder. Doesn’t that make it one’s moral and civic duty to murder? I wish I wasn’t right, but that’s where you are presently. My hope is that you won’t always be where you are at the moment.

How many innocent people did Jesus and the apostles allow to be killed before they intervened? @Riven and I had a discussion about this earlier in the thread. It led him to conclude that man did better than God.

I’m glad to hear that, but what happened to your moral and civic duty argument? I think you would be if given the opportunity.

Why do you doubt it? The Crusaders didn’t doubt it. The pope doesn’t doubt it. Veneration of relics is a longstanding practice in Catholicism. When did the practice begin? The Crusaders were pleased with Catholicism. You’re pleased with the Crusaders, aren’t you?

How many people have you killed in fulfillment of what you believe to be your “moral and civic duty”?

“Some Christians are very curious, but not obedient.” - C.H. Spurgeon