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One who knowingly rejects the grace of God has never been saved whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already. you should know this yur claiming grace is given through sacramental works of obedience, I am asking how an OT person was saved without...

Yes we have, that’s why I tell you I really have no desire to go through it again, you gonna always say your church is the only truth church and I have my private interpretation, hence it will never lead to fruitful discussion as for matt 18, we have had to bring people up to the church a few...

So it is harder for you to get to heaven than him? How is that?

I joined it 40 years ago when I came to Christ. The HS himself baptized me into it

Your right I treat all works equal. I asked you once can you answer. How was the OT people saved without sacraments?

The law does not require baptism so Jesus was not baptized to fulfill the law

Yep there is only one church and that church holds to the true foundation and gospel of Christ. not the pagan church who like many before attempts to be like it but looks nothing like it

yet you go to NT shadows and treat them as if they are different. How did OT believers get saved apart from their sacraments? Since they had none of your? you mean pipeline? I have heard many of Catholic use this saying. So there you go The law was of God, (actually christ himself gave it to...

Only God can do it, we can just try to share and plant the seed

Not trying to be hot or judgmental, just trying to get someone to think,

You know whats amazing? paul calls circumcision a work Paul calls confession and animal sacrifice a work Paul call all OT works of the law works, and says if anyone tries to add these to faith, they teach faith plus works now you want me to believe NT commands, such as baptism, the lords...

It’s ok, I actually expect that sadly. I know the answer anyway, I just want him to admit it openly

It’s not a false dichotomy Paul makes it clear faith and works do not mix once again, do you believe we are saved by faith plus the sacraments (works). In other words, your claim you are saved just because you call on the name of the lord is true or false

You answer my question first, do you believe we are saved by faith plus all your sacraments? or by grace through faith which is it?

1. You can't offend me, If you think you can, Stop puffing yourself up. Your church does not even offend me, It does not have that power. I do not protest your church, I do not even consider it a church. Does that offend you? Not that it matters,, I could care one way or the other. Thats not my...

Your response to me was that it was my private interpretation Forgive me if I do not wish to waste my time anymore knowing how you will answer. If you had grace you would not tell people how they have their own interpretation and you have the churches interpretation. you would show more grace

How can you forget. We went through this awhile ago.

No baptism, The word baptism is not there. And when jesus answered the question, he said how. Whoever believes will have eternal life. If baptism was required. Jesus would have said believed AND be baptized, He left it out for a reason. because it is not required John 4. Jesus aid, If you...

You looked at he greek? Please tell me what you found. The word repent and the word baptized. In the greek. what type of words are they?