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Why did you misunderstand it, though? My position has been clear all along. I believe I have shown my position clearly and straightforwardly the whole time. My belief is that the ones taken are saved people. Christians. The church. And the ones left are everyone else. Unsaved, lost people. The...

Where does it say that? Or are you just assuming that?

If you read what they wrote, they clearly both had a very high level of wisdom, so that is the point of comparing their levels of knowledge? This is ridiculous. They both were inspired by the Holy Spirit who knows all things, so what is the point of this? Can we trust Peter's writings but not...

He has nothing to teach me. Do you know that he thinks the writings of Paul and Mark are not trustworthy to use as doctrine? I showed him something that Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 and he completely dismisses it and basically says that Paul did not have a full understanding of Bible...

A person's works reflect his or her beliefs. James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. I've already pointed this out to you and...

Who said I dismissed it? Only you. Peter made a point about how long it's taking for Jesus to return and he indicated that to the Lord it's not taking long at all because time has no effect on Him. No amount of time including a day or a thousand years makes any difference to Him since He created...

You can show how exactly you are coming to that conclusion. I'm not seeing that in 2 Peter 3. Can you show me that? If you want to be taken seriously, you should be able to clearly show how you are coming to that conclusion. Just making claims about it is useless and meaningless without being...

Stars literally falling to earth would completely annihilate the earth. That is a fact. I don't know why you are taking it all literally, but you are mistaken. What do you make of Jesus saying that people will be doing their normal activities right up until He comes (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke...

Let's put your hyper-literalism to the test and see if that is the right approach to interpreting the highly symbolic book of Revelation. Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the...

Why do you take the book of Revelation so literally? How does your understanding of earthquakes and plagues being a sign that the end is at hand line up with what Jesus taught here: Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things...

Show me that, please. Put your money where your mouth is for once and exegete some scripture. No, I do not and you are completely incapable of proving that.

For sure. I literally laughed out loud just reading that. It's truly unbelievable the kinds of things they believe. Some of them will literally go to any lengths to try to keep their doctrines afloat. Here's another example of the kind of nonsense they will resort to, which you may not have...

Yep. They try to distract us with personal insults because they know that's all they have. Everyone can see that. If you try to get them to actually exegete scripture, you see what happens if they even try. It's embarrassing for them. No wonder they rarely even try to do it.

Yes, I will stop that. This is my last post to you and I promise you that. We're done. You not accepting what I'm saying even though it's true is lame. I'm done with that. You are such a child. You are a joke. I answered your question in a general sense about pre-tribbers in general. What is...

And I said several times now that I was only talking about SOME pretribbers and NOT you and I explained the perspective that SOME pretribbers have, but NOT YOU. Is this hard for you to understand? I think I'm speaking plainly here. That I'm saying it CAN be a dangerous teaching, but not...

I don't know what you're talking about. You can be killed for your testimony of Jesus anywhere and many people have been killed for their testimony of Jesus throughout the world for the past almost 2,000 years. Not as much in the U.S. as other counties, but it can happen in the U.S. as well.

You can't have true faith and be unsaved. That's the point. Believing like the demons believe means nothing.

Great to see you realize that. Uh huh. I noticed. I should be able to talk about how other pre-tribbers think, though, right? I think so. Do you agree with those who are glad about that because they are afraid of persecution and tribulation? No, right? But, those are the people I'm talking...

How many times do I need to explain this to you? And in the times when I've explained this to you already I made it clear that I'm only talking about SOME pretribbers. Okay? You and I don't have a spirit of fear. But, some Christians do. And for SOME of them (NOT YOU), it is influenced by their...

Yes, it seems that way, which would be rather hypocritical. He did indicate while going through his interpretation of 1 Thess 5 that post-tribbers are included among the ones who are "asleep" that Paul wrote about in 1 Thess 5:1-9. Which would then mean that we would experience God's wrath in...