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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Also, it seems a bit of a stretch, to say the least, to claim that we are still in the same generation that started in 1948. Since when does a generation last for at least 76 years? Isn't it interesting how dispensationalists create new definitions for words when they need to in order to keep...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No one knows. It's an indeterminate amount of time. And it is a limited amount of time because it will end and Satan knows that, which is why he is angry while "having great wrath". You need to put more effort into studying scripture. You only scratch the surface and don't dig any deeper. Do...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Did Paul know everything there is to know?

    Warning, everyone. Do not be deceived by these false teachers who have a low opinion of Paul and his writings and claim that Paul's writings can't be trusted to base one's doctrine on. These people are wolves in sheep's clothing. Do not be deceived. Peter and John themselves would be...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Did Paul know everything there is to know?

    What are you talking about? Wow, what is happening here? You are deceived. Paul's letters are scripture and every bit as inspired by God as the rest of scripture. You should be ashamed of yourself for undermining scripture. You are horribly deceived and are reading a different Bible than I am...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Apostate Israel is Babylon- common sense.

    How can that happen in light of what Peter described here: 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, those things have to happen first before the day of the Lord arrives. Now, let's please talk about that "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" which will occur on the day of the Lord some time after the falling away has begun and man of sin is revealed. To me, Paul...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Okay, I've had it with your nonsense and it's not worth my time dealing with it any longer. I have never, and would never, claim that scripture is wrong. If you're just going to lie about me then we're done. Have a nice life.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Ugh. What is wrong with you? This is a serious question. I explicitly told you that he and I believe that His second coming IS at the 6th seal and here you are trying to say that we don't believe that. Why do you contradict what we claim? Just because we don't share your understanding of what...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Great post. I only quoted this much of it because I couldn't get my post to be under 10,000 characters otherwise. But, I would like to point out one thing about Revelation 10:6. Whether Revelation 10:6 is referring literally to "time no longer" or "no more delay" doesn't really make any...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Very interesting! I have never thought about it like that. Probably because I would never think that Jesus would be described as an angel since He obviously is not an angel. But, the word translated as "angel" there (Greek: angelos) also means "messenger" and the word would have been better...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is spot on. A major problem with the pretrib doctrine is not differentiating between a spiritual time of tribulation before Christ returns and the wrath of God that comes down on the day He returns. This leads them to accuse us post-tribs of believing that we will go through God's wrath...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Doug, what did Paul say would happen unexpectedly to the kind of people who are "at ease, marrying and giving in marriage"? This is what he said will happen to them unexpectedly while they are "at ease". 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Doug, not everyone cares about looking at charts. I think most people here cannot even follow some of what is on your charts if they even look at them at all. We need to use words to explain what we believe. You can use charts to supplement what you're saying if you want. But, you made 2 posts...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I just have to be honest here. You are making a complete fool of yourself. Do you somehow not know that he agrees with this? Look at what it says. It says at that point "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?". Clearly, His wrath is about to come down right then...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You need to give up this nonsense already. It isn't fooling anyone. To try to claim that they stopped eating and drinking 6 days before the flood is complete lunacy. Do you know what happens to people if they don't eat or drink for 6 days? A vast majority of them would've already been dead even...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I agree completely. If his preferred form of communication is by way of charts, so be it. He can't expect everyone else to feel the same way. Honestly, it's utterly ludicrous for him to expect others to create charts. Some are simply not even capable of it and some just don't have the time or...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    You're not understanding that "the breath" consists of our soul and spirit. The soul and spirit are two different parts of us, yet very closely connected, as the following verse indicates: Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Apostate Israel is Babylon- common sense.

    We've talked about this before, so I'm not going to argue with you about it. I'm simply trying to help avoid confusion. But, you can do what you want, of course. I understand what you're saying, but when it comes to passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, those clearly do not refer to...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Are there Two or More Resurrections?

    I thought you put me on your ignore list? Apparently not. Or did you put me on it and then took me back off because you missed me? :wink: When did I say otherwise? Never. Of course we still sin and, as John said while including himself.. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Your words alone are meaningless. As are mine. When do you plan on actually backing up your claims with scripture? I have no idea what you are intending to say here because you do not show what you mean with scripture. As for "firstfruits", Paul said that Jesus Himself is the firstfruits in...