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No, we're not. So, can you please address what I said in my post instead of trying to create a distraction like this? What did I say in my post that would lead you to ask this question?

Paul did not say anything about an act by a supposed Antichrist being sudden and unexpected, he said the day of the Lord would bring unexpected and "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape". You are blatantly taking what Paul said in 1 Thess 5:2-3 out of context here. Why? Why can...

Very positive. That will happen when Jesus returns. I very much look forward to that day. We don't know that any of them were. Paul was talking about a hypothetical situation where IF they had heard about or received a letter about the day of the Lord having already begun they should not...

This is why it's very hard to take you seriously, Doug. Show me one other verse in all of scripture where "the temple of God" refers to anything but a true temple of God that God Himself would call "the temple of God". Some physical temple built by Christ-rejecting Jews doesn't qualify. It's so...

That's not talking about a literal physical temple. What do you think it means when it talks about John measuring "them that worship therein"? Their heights and weights? How many people are in a physical temple? Please explain that to me if this is supposed to be taken literally. Also, you...

LOL. As if you could disagree with it when I was simply showing what you believe. But, the problem is that such a temple is not what Paul would have called "the temple of God". You have no way around that. Any temple called "the temple of God" must be a true temple of God which some future...

Are you actually reading the text carefully? It doesn't say that the day of the Lord comes immediately when a falling away starts happening and immediately when the man of sin is revealed. No, it says those things have to happen first before the day of the Lord comes. The day of the Lord is what...

Spot on. Douggg says: The day of the Lord will come when an Antichrist comes to sit in a physical temple that doesn't yet exist. There is nothing sudden or unexpected about this. Scripture says: The day of the Lord will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night bringing sudden destruction...

I agree. The dishonesty of pretribs is quite disturbing. They seem to have no conscience about twisting scripture to make it fit their doctrine. That verse relates to something that Paul indicated in the verse just prior to that has to occur first some time BEFORE the day of the Lord comes and...

Are you trying to distract from what we were talking about? If what you are saying was true, then it could be shown in Luke 21. So, show me this in Luke 21, please. Luke talks about escaping something that would unexpectedly come upon all those dwelling upon the whole earth. Where does Matthew...

Where is there any indication in Luke 21 that the day of the Lord begins before the actual day Jesus comes and that the day of the Lord lasts for more than one literal 24 hour day? Show me.

I agree. Once the judgment is over then we (believers) will inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth, which is portrayed in Matthew 25:31-46. There is no basis whatsoever for dividing up the chapter like this as if 2 Peter 3:7,10 and 2 Peter 3:11-13 are...

Where is this "great tribulation" mentioned in Luke 21:34-36, which you used to support this claim? That passage refers to something affecting the entire world on "that day" when Jesus comes, but certainly not anything 1,335 days long.

The whole pretrib doctrine is imaginary which is why they obviously are completely unable to exegete scripture in a way that supports their doctrine. It is a mess.

LOL. Clear as mud. Just like your pretrib doctrine. You obviously can't support it with any coherent arguments using scripture.

Please read that passage more carefully. Notice how Jesus refers there to "that day" which will "come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.". What day was Jesus referring to there? We have to look at the preceding verses, which you strangely didn't include for context, to find...

My answer is "the Lord" to all of those questions. I just haven't done a study on this particular topic before personally. It's unfortunate that the Hebrew and Greek words weren't translated as "messenger" instead of "angel" there just to avoid any confusion. But, regardless, those are all...

He does nothing but lie. You can continue talking to him if you want, but I'm not wiling to talk to someone who repeatedly lies about me the way he does. I have to draw the line somewhere and I am drawing the line there.

So, just to be clear, you don't believe that Paul was "the apostle to the Gentiles" even though Paul said that he was in Romans 11:13, right? I just want to get confirmation from you that you believe Paul was a false teacher.

Do you also believe that Paul's letters were not inspired by the Holy Spirit who knows all things? If so, I can add your name to the list of wolves in sheep's clothing who have invaded this forum.