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And it wasn't Rome. It wasn't even Jerusalem (John 19:20, Hebrews 13:12). What exactly is your explanation for Rome being the place where Jesus was crucified even in a symbolic sense? I don't see that He was crucified in Rome in any sense, but maybe you can explain that. You are assuming that...

I can't take this seriously. I show you scripture that specifically says He was crucified outside of the city and this is what you come up with? You clearly will do anything to make it say what you want it to say.

Agree. It only does to him (maybe). He was criticizing pre-trib, but then decided to try to criticize those of us who interpret Matthew 24:15-21 the way we do as well. He seems to be unable to focus on the topic at hand, so his thoughts come across as completely scattered and impossible to...

Do you not also believe that the rapture must happen before the 70th week starts and do you not agree with the typical pre-trib view that the tribulation occurs during the 70th week? If so, your view is really the anytime pre-trib rapture view. Claiming that the rapture has to occur "BEFORE the...

Amen! Well said. The idea of the rapture being a secret event is not taught anywhere in scripture! Not even close! It is a blatant lie. Why are people willing to believe something like that which is never taught in scripture at all in any way, shape or form? These people imagine things in their...

In the Olivet Discourse Jesus talked about things like many turning away from the faith, an increase in wickedness and the appearance of many false Christs and false prophets occurring just before His second coming. Paul said similar things in 2 Thess 2:1-12. But, neither of them were specific...

Please show me the scripture which describes "the shocking after effects" of a pretrib (or any time) rapture.

Some of these pre-trib people here remind me of this: 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye...

How is this an explanation for why He would descend to "the air" and why we would meet Him there "in the air" rather than just meeting Him in heaven if that is supposedly where we're going, anyway? You always dodge the tough questions, Doug. It shows the weakness of your doctrine that there are...

Yeah, YOU say that. Scripture doesn't. You clearly have no respect at all for Paul and Peter as they did not teach what you teach about the day of the Lord. I'm being nasty by defending the Lord Jesus Christ's honor? Give me a break. Reinstating animal sacrifices would be a huge insult to what...

I agree. There's really no debate about that in my mind. Jesus certainly didn't go to prepare a temporary place for us. So, it has to be the eternal NHNE that He is preparing for us. And He will be bringing that to us rather than taking us to it and then wherever He goes there we will be also...

That would explain why it's largely hidden from you. You won't admit it, but you clearly think of yourself as wise. You clearly are a very prideful person. You try to claim otherwise, but you don't hide it well. Anyone who basically says "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" is prideful. You...

Do not change scripture, Doug. You play with fire doing that. You said Jesus will "come again for the purpose of receiving to Himself and taken to that place He has prepared in heaven.". That is not what the text says. You are essentially saying here that Jesus said He would receive His people...

No, it's telling you what you need. Not taking my advice is childish and arrogant. How else can you stop saying ridiculous things and stop misrepresenting what people say all the time without getting some help to learn how to stop doing that?

Yes, you most certainly did. The angel speaking to John from the perspective of the current time (not the future) in Rev 17:10 said 5 of the kingdoms HAD fallen. That was not from a second coming perspective that John had, this was an angel telling John in real time that 5 of the kingdoms had...

I agree. It is written in present perfect tense, as you said. That's no something that can be debated. It's an undeniable fact. I mean, people will try to deny it anyway, of course, but you can't argue with facts. Babylon was definitely reigning at the time John wrote the book. So, it can't be...

You just make claims without backing them up. WPM made claims and backed them up with clear scripture. You noticeably are not even trying to refute anything he said in his posts. Which one of you should I take seriously? It's not a hard choice. As for John 14:1-3, where does it say that Jesus...

You fancy yourself a comedian, do you? Are you afraid of persecution and tribulation? Is that why you believe in pretrib? I can't imagine any other reason since it definitely is not taught anywhere in scripture. 2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer...

Calm down. Anyone who has seen your posts knows you are pretrib, so what are you worried about? He quoted you word for word and if you actually read his posts you would know that his point was to show how even pretribs like you admit that there aren't any verses which explicitly teach a pretrib...

Jesus is coming to renew the earth, resulting in the new earth (2 Peter 3:10-13) He's not going to just burn it up and leave it as "a smoking ruin". No one said that. Also, Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords now, but you don't seem to acknowledge that and think He won't be until He comes...