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  1. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    What do these verse in 1 John 3 mean to you? 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of...
  2. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    The power of the baptism with the Holy Spirit makes it so you will not lie in the first place. Jesus not only takes away the lie, He took away the desire to lie. That is being born again.
  3. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    There are some who believe that grace means that the blood of Jesus acts like an invisibility cloak so the Father can't see the sins we still commit. He only sees Christ's blood. I believe what I just wrote in the post above to John. That the blood completely takes away the sin, and the Father...
  4. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    cc: @David Taylor Okay, I think I see what you are saying, and if so, then I agree, though I don't know if you will agree with my literal take or are more in line with David, just that you say it in a different manner. (David, I'm sorry, but you are not going to like this...) It has to do with...
  5. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    "Only covers our sins while they remain." Instead of taking the sin away, the sin is only covered, but it remains.
  6. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    @Jane_Doe22 What does your church believe about the affect of the blood of Jesus on sin? 1. Takes away our sin nature and the sins it produced? 2. Takes away our past sins 3. Takes away our past, present and future sins that we must repent of daily 4. Only covers our sins while they remain...
  7. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I agree that the damned experience BOTH a physical and spiritual death. The saved will only experience a physical death, but receive a glorified body, as Jesus did after the ascension, in my opinion. He had to prove to His disciples that it was Him raised from the dead by His wounds. But that...
  8. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    So? For three days His Spirit was in Paradise. But his body was dead.
  9. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    LOL, I just said the same thing. The second death IS death. It is eternal death. Jesus died that death, but was resurrected to a new life, just like us.
  10. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Again, death might not be immediate like in the Old Testament where people were stoned to DEATH, but eventually in hell. It is called the second death.
  11. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Instead of and for are explanations of the same thing. We committed sin - it is those sins for which we must die. But Jesus died instead.
  12. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    What you are saying seems to be the opposite for what WILL happen. Are you saying we still have to pay for the sins Jesus took away, and go to hell?
  13. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    John, don't you know that is what David believes too? Instead means substitute.
  14. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    cc: @David Taylor In my book you are both right to the degree you have stated if David agrees, so I don't see why you two are acting like mere babes in Christ. Mind you, I'm not calling either one of you a babe! LOL My personal beliefs of Jesus dying in our place for our sins is the same. I...
  15. CharismaticLady

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Probably perception of semantics. So lets get past that; is there anything else?