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Do you think hell fire and outer darkness are the same place?

I agree. @John Caldwell is confusing the issue, and I don't think he means that we atone for our own sins either. I think John just doesn't like the word "punished" but I don't think there is away around it.

You misunderstood John. Hell is far worse than a lake of fire, not that it is not real. I thought it was funny. @John Caldwell Or I should say clever, as there is nothing funny about hell.

Right, it is BEFORE hell fire, where the unrighteous go after they die, but before the second coming resurrection of the dead. THEN comes the actual judgment and the lake of fire.

You are saying the same thing as @Steve Owen, the go off into apples and oranges. I agree with you both that God was not with Jesus. And I agree with Steve that it is sin God hates.

I agree with what you have said here.

Yes, we are at opposite ends of interpretation. Our assurance is based on our keeping the commandments of Jesus, and being pleasing in His sight, not disobeying the commandments of Jesus and being unpleasing in His sight. 1 John 3:18-24 Also, we need to make our call and election sure: 2 Peter...

Sinners do not go to God, but to outer darkness until the resurrection. The righteous Israelites of Ecc. go to Abraham's bosom - or God.

Okay, sin while we are living does put a separation between us and God - we cannot hear His voice. I'm talking about physical death, and I believe that is what Non was referring to.

I agree with him. What's not to get?

And after death? Sinners do not go to heaven.

The ungodly are not Christians.

Go back and read the additional edit I put from 2 Peter 1. That is to be holy. In heaven will be two categories: righteous and holy. Revelation 22:11

Personally, I believe "outer darkness" is where the unrighteous go after death, but before the second coming, whereas the saints go to be present with the Lord, and will return with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4: 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him...

I thought for a minute you might be right; but then I opened up the context, and believe the "sons of the Kingdom" at that time was Israel. Matthew 8: 10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in...

Which do you believe? 1. Our past sins are cleansed? 2 Peter 1:9 2. Our past, present and future sins are already cleansed? Give scriptures

Unfortunately, Proverbs 1:7

There is someone who fits this to a "T" and if I don't see a Scripture to interpret, I just ignore them.

Sins of lawlessness - cleansed - accounted to us = 0 Trespasses while walking in the Spirit - cleansed - accounted to us = 0 0 + 0 = 0 But there is a condition, as always. Matthew 6:14-15 We still need to go on to perfection. 2 Peter 1:5-7 add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to...

Maybe I misunderstood your point.