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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    I don't know how that can be. I think it's just a case of people being attracted to sensationalized theories involving a big bad Antichrist and millions of people disappearing and leaving their unsaved loved ones behind to experience tribulation for 7 years and nonsense like that. They have...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    LOL. Why do you talk here at all? You can't understand anything anyone says. Yes, I am post-trib, but my understanding of the tribulation is different than yours. There was tribulation around 70 AD, but that isn't the tribulation that I believe Jesus returns right after. Jesus spoke of global...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Are you a child? You sure talk like one. There is no pretrib rapture described there. That passage is about the coming of the Son of Man. When did Jesus say that would happen? Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    This is a baseless claim. It seems that your entire reasoning for seeing those as referring to two different raptures is because one mentions angels and one doesn't. Do you understand how ridiculous it is to make a man-made rule like that which says that two passages can't be referring to the...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    So, you are just going to ignore that Revelation 17:8 says "the beast was" even before John wrote the book of Revelation? If it's a man, then he is at least around 2,000 years old by now. But, far be it from you to take all scripture into consideration like that. The Greek word anthrōpos...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    PinSeeker, why do you have so much trouble being honest? You should know better than that. What you believe is that God creates some people who never believe and end up in hell because He made them that way. You don't believe that they could choose to believe instead, so how can you act as if...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Ironic for you to accuse me of avoidance when you completely avoided specifically addressing any of my points about what 1 Corinthians 2:14 actually means. As you so often do, you missed my point. I gave Lydia and Cornelius as examples. It says they were worshipers of God even before hearing...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    Why would I do that when you didn't ask me to do that? You asked me who the beast is mentioned in that post and I answered your question. I even took a fair amount of time to answer it. But, here you are just saying I "never dissected Revelation 19:20" despite the fact that you didn't even ask...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    You've asked this question or something similar many times over the years and not once has anyone responded. They won't even respond and admit that there are no other examples of that. They just don't respond at all. Because they know you are making a very valid and strong argument here and they...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    No. Did you read what I said? I'm talking about what he had said the last time we spoke about these things. I am not in error about what he said back then. If he changed his view since then, I was not aware of it. But, it's not even entirely clear now that he doesn't still believe that Jesus...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    What are you talking about exactly? Since you didn't quote whatever it is you are responding to, I can't tell what you are talking about. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Paul writing about the last trumpet and John writing about the seventh trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I don't even know what you're saying here. Please explain what you mean in a straightforward way. I agree with this. Does that surprise you? The way you sometimes misrepresent my view, I think it might. But, because God is love, He wants to have mercy on all people (Romans 11:30-32) and...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    The word rationalize can be used in the sense of explaining something accurately or it can be used in the sense of explaining something away. That is the only point I was making. But, with this response, you want to make it look like I said that rationalizing something away can be a good thing...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Nope. I have already covered this and you just ignore it. It's ridiculous. I am not asking those questions no matter how much you try to say that I am. You are lying. You don't speak for me. Paul is talking about people like Pharaoh, who he names specifically just before that, who God takes and...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    LOL!!! I'm not doing that. My goodness yourself. I do that myself, so I don't mind. It helps to differentiate the text within a passage when the situation calls for it. Oh, are you going to tell me what he is doing, PinSeeker? Wow. How exciting. I can't wait, PinSeeker. What does any of this...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    I'm not sure if our views on this could be any further apart if we tried. They are so far apart that it's virtually impossible for us to have a reasonable discussion about it. As usual, you just shared your view without even giving your thoughts on what I said. You obviously have no interest in...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    In terms of a future rapture there is only one and it is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and referenced in a few other passages as well. The truth is not nearly as convoluted as some make it out to be. But, the person you're talking to, "The Light", believes in at least 5 future raptures...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    I have read those chapters many times. I did respond about Daniel 9-12 already in another post, but maybe you haven't seen it yet. I don't see that as one long prophecy as you apparently do. I believe the text is mostly literal in those chapters, but I, like most, don't see the 70 weeks as...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Neither of us believe that God would allow His people to go through His wrath. You understand that, right? Let's get beyond that. Hmmm. You have it in your notes. Have you ever studied it for yourself like the Bereans (Acts 17:10-11) to see if what you were taught about it is true? Why can't...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    So, you acknowledge that Jesus's death occurred after (you say right after or very shortly after, but still after) the 69th week (the first 483 years) ended, right? Which means you don't put His death at the very end of the 69th week? If so, then why do you not place His death within the 70th...