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You are apparently unable to communicate clearly. You just speak gibberish that no one can understand. That passage describes ONE event. The dead are first resurrected and then immediately after that they are caught up with those who are alive and remain to meet the Lord in the air. What is hard...

Exaggerating about what exactly? I believe it's symbolic text in terms of the reference to "the camp of the saints" and "the beloved city", but I do believe all of those opposing the camp of the saints worldwide, which I see as being a reference to the church, will have fire literally come down...

What does that mean? Do you think that words used in scripture can only ever mean one thing in all of scripture? Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4 refer to the souls of those who have died and does not refer to souls in terms of how the word soul can refer to a person. Why is that if...

It's insane. I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond to such a ludicrous doctrine. No one else in the world believes it, so what is the point in refuting it? It's not as if I'm concerned that he will convince anyone else to believe such nonsense. I need to just ignore those posts from now on.

What do you think I'm missing from the 1 Thess 4:14-17 passage? Please be specific. Yes, that happens right before His wrath comes down. It all happens as part of the same event according to passages like 1 Thess 4:13-5:9 and 2 Thess 1:7-10. That's what you miss. You interpret the book of...

Again, tribulation can be wrath (see Romans 2:9 and Luke 21:23, for a couple examples). So, you're wrong to act as if tribulation can't be wrath. Anyway, I said I agree that the tribulation He comes after is not wrath. Regardless, the wrath comes down right after Jesus descends from heaven after...

LOL. And I meant it. Within reason. If I don't have time to respond, which I did not earlier, then that is not a case of me backing away from something, you silly goose. It wouldn't make sense for me to try to put those in order when I see things in some of those chapters as happening at the...

LOL. Have you never read 1 Thess 4:14-17 which clearly portrays those things as happening at the same time? Where does it say that He comes down from heaven for them? It's all the same one second coming. So, you disagree with the angels at His ascension who said He would come back in like...

Why did you think you needed to make sure? I must have said something to make you unsure of how I interpreted that, so can you tell me what that was?

Yes, of course. Did I say anything to lead you to think that I thought otherwise? If so, what was it exactly?

That's utter nonsense. He's only coming back once. Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11...

Oh yeah, in terms of Revelation 20 you think that billions of unbelievers from throughout the world will somehow all physically gather together in one place. I'd love to see an explanation of the logistics of that.

But, what events are they and is it a literal thousand years or a figurative thousand years? Those are questions that I don't think you currently have the right answers to. You were talking to PinSeeker about this. Does he believe the thousand years don't expire? Maybe I missed that. Whether...

I am well aware of that. I wasn't saying otherwise. You took me a bit too literally there, I think. Agree. Well, I wouldn't say that Revelation 19:11-21 is parallel to Rev 20:7-10. I think it's parallel to Revelation 20:9-10. Both Revelation 19:11-21 and Revelation 20:9-15 describe things that...

Are you aware that words can have more than one meaning?

John said he saw the souls of those who were dead. He didn't say he saw souls as if the word "souls" there is synonymous with people. So, he saw a part of those people called the soul even though they were physically/bodily dead. Is this verse in your Bible? 1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of...

If you read 1 Corinthians 15 you should see that will not happen until the last trumpet when Jesus returns. It does not happen immediately upon death. That is not stated anywhere. You are not making any sense here. You are the one who somehow thinks that we can't exist and be conscious without...

No, it isn't. It's ridiculous for you to ignore the scriptures which show physically dead people as being conscious. Not at all. When people try to read scripture no differently than they would read a newspaper or magazine article, it shows a lack of discernment. You are clearly making no...

No, it isn't. It's ridiculous for you to ignore the scriptures which show physically dead people as being conscious. Not at all. When people try to read scripture no differently than they would read a newspaper or magazine article, it shows a lack of discernment. You are clearly making no...

This is complete nonsense. When the Lord comes He will send His angels to gather the elect. Those are not two separate events. Good grief. Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall...