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Lets look at what God says Heb 10: 14 for by one offering, he has perfected forever (positional sanctification or as you say, having our sins cleansed) those who are being (ongoing process) sanctified Sanctification is a long process. Which will end in the final result. Or glorification. We...

yep But it is not like what we see in alot of churches today. I see all kinds of power in people from the HS. Out in the world.. where God is really working and he demands his church work..

They may both do the same thing, But I think the motive of why they do it is different. but even then, it is still nto a catholic vs protestant thing, Because many protestants do it for the same motive as the Catholics.

If you are doing works not out of gratitude. Then it must be from your own power I think that is all we need to know right there. If you have no gratitude for what God did for you. Then there is nothing I can say that will help you..

When did God remove free will? This is not even a free will issue I have no capacity to love UNTIL God loves me. It is his love that empowers me to love others. Does it mean I Always chose to share that love? Well if I did I would be perfect. and I am not. no one is, So do the math

if we look at the "day of atonement" and what it represents. I think we will see that atonement is for everyone The atonement was made for all Isreal. Just like the sacrificial death of the lamb of God is made for all mankind. (as God told abraham in you shall all the nations of the world be...

Your correct. No one will come to Jesus by himself But God does not prevent others from coming to him, simply by not showing them truth in a way they can understand and allowing them to chose if they want to know more. if he does. He has serious problems. He is not the loving God he claims to be

This can be confusing right now - positional sanctification not yet - conditional sanctification Both are taught in scripture

yep. I agree 100% So when the scripture tells us how loving and merciful God is, And shows us examples all over scripture of his loving kindness. And we experience it. Our feelings prove scripture.

where the church fails is when people go to church and their is false power. Fake, charisma, stirring up peoples emotions and claiming it is power of the HS. That is not what Church is.

The unforgiveable sin is unbelief He who believes is not condemns, He who does not believe is condemned already It is the Holy Spirits Job to show the world their sin, SHow the world who and what God is, And show the world the gospel which could save them. When you reject the HS, you basically...

Yes,Like paul in romans 7, Because when we forget our new nature we forget God has taken care of ALL our needs, and are required to take care of our own needs, Which leads to sin.

I never said they were God Gave Jesus those who would believe God does not force people do believe, He does not prevent others from believing by not given them an opportunity to be saved.

and why will they burn in hell

True And like he said, whoever SEES AND BELIEVES. That is the most important part of the total story. It is separating the ones who believe, from those who have seen yet DO NOT BELIEVE Every person there was drawn by God to Jesus. But not every person there believed. Free will decisions...

well if it does. then the bible comes first Lucky for me, My experience goes right with the bible. in fact. My experience is shared by many of the biblical characters who havwe wrte their stories or had their story written by others. I never said such a thing, and once again, I am warning you...

How can you not be totally deceived in thinking your under grace when you put yourself under law If your under law. Your doomed, Because your required to meet the conditions as found in the law. You already failed in that aspect. And you will continue to fail in that aspect.

The bible is not wrong and experience does prove The fact you have not experienced it should show you something is wrong

If A penalty is still incurred. I am under law no longer under grace

Well. I have experienced Gods unconditional love, and it has empowered me to walk in his ways, and walk in his commands, And I have experienced others who have experienced this same victory in christ i will pray that maybe one day you will experience this love and empowerment as we have