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Fall from Grace--The Teaching that a person can fall from grace and lose his salvation. Do Armenians teach this? Did Arminian himself believe this?

yeah, I mean there was no possibly man could have just chosen to follow God and never walk away like 2/3 of the angels did. God had to make sure man fell. so he could send his son to die that horrific death, otherwise, creation would have been out of order I mean that was never going to happen...

There you have it folks. God created evil, and not only created it, He ordains, or uses it to enforce his own desires.. God did not force Assyria to destroy the northing kingdom. Assyria wished to do this on their own. What God did is REMOVED his protection of his people Israel. and ALLOWED the...

this makes no sense God did not DECREE or ORDAIN the fall. He allowed it to happen. because otherwise, he would have to make robots. and remove all free will from his creation You can not have a relationship if there is not freedom to chose. There is no love possible..

maybe you can show me one? Maybe I have and it has been so few I forgot Now I have met alot of anticalvinists who make claims they teach this..

Hey you Got it Since he wanted a RELATIONSHIP with his creation. He had to ALLOW his creation the ability to chose on its own. Because otherwise, the possibly of any deep relationship would be impossible. Because of this, He tested mankind. And allowed them to fail, But he also did not leave...

this is sad. His comment was not about understanding biblical salvation it was about the arminian vs calvin debate that has been waging on for what seems like forever.

This is so unchristlike it is a terrible representative of the love of God.

I have yet to meet a calvinist who teaches a "Sin and Win approach" This label which has been placed on them are from people who do not like their theology and use it as a strawman argument to use against them. That's why I did not come out and say Arminius taught a works gospel. but asked...

I have yet to meat an arminian who believes that a person receives eternal life at the moment of justification, And this justification is eternal. ie, does not have to be maintained, in fear it can be least. Jesus said in John 6. whoever eats the food he came to give will NEVER hunger, NEVER...

I am not concerned. One of the greatest travesties I have seen in christian chat is the arminian vs calvin debate

Let’s just say I have yet to meet a confessed Arminian who does not. I would think his followers would follow his teachings correct? I am neither calvin or Arminian, I just know what I see their followers say can you sow me otherwise?

Um scripture says God works all things for good to those who love him not all for good And do us a favor, stop trying to tell us what we believe, it makes you look bad, your wrong again. Because we are not what you claim, you need to stop falsely accusing people in order to attempt to defend...

Yep that’s why I despise fatalism, you have God condoning and basically creating evil then punishing mankind for it Jesus volunteered for the cross, huge difference than countless men and women who suffer evil and did not volunteer for it. In fact tell the teen sold into sex slavery how God...

Arminius teaches a works based gospel does he not?

That passage simply says work out. Or mine (it’s a mining term) the salvation in you like minors min precisious minerals like gold and silver. So that it is made usefull

He won’t say it. But he sure does push it.

This makes no sense what were you trying to say if it is what I think why would you limit Gods knowledge?

Like the fall of mankind and the atrocities of hitler?

Wrong woman. I am talking about the woman in rev 13 who gave birth to the child