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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yes, I did. I was baptized in a lake. But, that is not the topic of this thread, so I don't really want to derail this thread with that topic. Feel free to create a new thread in the Christian Theology forum or Controversial Topics forum and I'd be glad to discuss why your understanding of...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Okay, maybe we're actually getting somewhere here. So, you agree with me that the way in which the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night is when Jesus comes and destroys His enemies, right? What does 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicate about the scope of destruction that occurs at that time? It...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Weak argument. Do you think that what is described in Revelation 12 chronologically follows what is described in Revelation 11?
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So, this is all just a game to you. How old are you, 10?
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You didn't specifically address anything I said. This is a waste of time.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    And you still don't understand it at all. That's pretty sad, though I do commend you for taking the time to study it. So? We're talking about 2 Peter 3:10-12 where fire is said to come down upon the entire earth and burning it up. Christ, of course. Do I have to spell everything out to you? I...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    How does the day of the Lord come like a thief in the night in this scenario? 2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with Revelation 20 whatsoever. What Peter was indicating in 2 Peter 3:8-9 is that the Lord is not being slow in keeping the promise of Christ's second coming as some think because He...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Who told you that I have not obeyed that? Why are you acting as if you are God and judging others when you don't know us at all? There is something very seriously wrong with you. You need professional help.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, I'm not saying that. You clearly did not understand what I was saying, which is no surprise. Do you have anything to say that doesn't involve misrepresenting what I believe? It doesn't seem so.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    If you accept what the New Testament teaches (do you?) then you should see that the promises God made to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ Himself and those who belong to Christ, which include Israelite and Gentile believers. So, I am not denying anyone their promise. I am interpreting...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, I do not. So, you wasted your time posting that. Are you just unable to understand what other people tell you about what they believe? Nothing I've said to you would indicate that I'm a preterist who would interpret that passage in such a ludicrous way. The literal heavens and earth will...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    when the vestiges of imperialism are removed

    Uh huh. And why do you not use that to help you discern that the symbolic woman, who is said to sit on the symbolic "many waters" and to sit on the symbolic beast, does not sit on literal things but rather symbolic things? The many waters she sits on symbolize something besides a literal many...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    THE DAY OF THE LORD

    How do you figure? Matthew 17:10-13 very specifically indicates that John the Baptist WAS the returning Elijah. Matthew 17:9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.” 10 The disciples...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    THE DAY OF THE LORD

    He very specifically stated that, so I completely disagree with you. Again... Matthew 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It's talking about being saved under the new covenant which was established long ago by the blood of Christ, so it's talking about all current believers being saved and all future believers being saved. Then all Spiritual Israel together (all believers from all-time) will be saved. What are you...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, I never said that. Why do you continually misrepresent what others believe? You do it constantly. Something is seriously wrong with you. Which promise exactly are you talking about? An "Acts skipper"? What in the world are you talking about? You are coming across as unhinged here with your...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Here's the problem I have with those who insist the the promises to Israel in the Old Testament can only be applied to national Israel. You have to ignore verses like this in order to come to that conclusion: Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Great post. One other thing worth noting is how it does not make sense for Paul to have said this: 11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Great post. Scripture is very clear that God is not a respecter of persons, yet Falser teaches otherwise. He is making salvation dependent on being lucky enough to be born in the right place at the right time. Forget faith and repentance and all that stuff. Just be lucky enough to be born at the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Falser, you really need to stop lying. Did you know that lying is a sin? We don't teach that anyone is replaced, we teach that Gentile believers are joined with Jewish believers in the spiritual Israel of God and in one body (the body of Christ/church).