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We're just looking for a coherent presentation of scripture that supports your pre-trib doctrine. You seem to be completely unable to provide that. You just share several scriptures that you think support your doctrine while providing no explanation whatsoever for how they support your doctrine...

You're taking the analogy too far. The idea of His second coming being like a thief is in the fact that it will happen suddenly and will be unexpected. When the shout happens, His wrath will immediately follow. It isn't as if people will have any time to react after hearing the shout. Paul...

This is such a weak attempt at proving a supposed pre-trib rapture, followed by a 7 year tribulation followed by the second coming of Christ. You take unrelated scriptures, mix them together and the pre-trib rapture theory results from that. Are you unable to come up with a coherent...

Do you understand that those in the church were "kings and priests" unto God already when the book of Revelation was written? Why are you applying this passage to a supposed pre-trib rapture when it clearly has absolutely nothing to do with that? That is talking about the souls of believers...

You've asked pretribs this question (or something similar) probably hundreds, if not thousands, of times, and not one of them has answered it yet. Don't hold your breath that it will happen this time. :) Edit: I see that an attempt was made to answer the question, but it is very far from...

Where is there any indication that the wrath described there lasts for one year? That is completely absurd. Why would it take a whole year for Jesus to destroy His enemies? This is all utter nonsense based on your imagination. A pre-trib rapture is not even remotely taught anywhere in...

Great post. Premils simply do not accept the fulfillments of Old Testament prophecies as given in the New Testament, such as the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10 that Jesus clearly applied to the time of His death. For whatever reason, they don't want to allow the New Testament to make the Old...

The day of the Lord's vengeance and the year of recompences are the same thing. So, why are you taking the word "year" in that verse literally (as in 365 days), but not the word "day"? Because of doctrinal bias perhaps? I think so. If I say that next year is the year of my 27th wedding...

It's really hard to understand how someone can acknowledge that the binding of the strong man has to do with the binding of Satan and how that happened long ago and still claim that Satan has not been bound yet.

Certainly not with the ones on this forum. I've seen a few reasonable premils on other forums, but none here so far.

At the end of the age, the eternal age to come will be ushered in when no one gets married anymore and no one dies anymore. Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the...

The final wrath of God comes down right after He is revealed. Revelation 6:12-17 indicates that "the great day of His wrath has come" when the sixth seal is opened, not that it will come years later as you believe. Paul also made it clear that the wrath of the Lamb comes down right after He is...

This is absurd nonsense. He did not begin returning 2,000 years ago. Scripture repeatedly talks of His return as a future event (not one that had already begun) at which time all of the dead in Christ will be raised and all in Christ will be changed. The order of resurrections Paul gave in 1 Cor...

You are a liar and an immature child who should have his posting rights taken away. Amils believe that Jesus will return in the flesh. We just don't believe He will then rule over people on the earth after that. So, you are lying when you say that we don't believe He will return in the flesh...

It is symbolic. The number of times it's stated does not determine if it's symbolic or not. What a ridiculous notion. You should be embarrassed for trying to use that weak argument. The beast is referenced over 30 times in the book of Revelation. Does that make it a literal beast? Who is saying...

Premils call each other Premils as well. It's not a term to replace the term Christian, you silly goose. We identify first and foremost as Christians just as you do, you goofy person. The terms Amil and Premil are just terms that describe what someone believes in regards to Revelation 20.

The answer to both questions, of course, is nowhere. Premillennialism is based mostly on speculation. There is no explicit scripture that can be used to support it, including Revelation 20 where there is no mention of Jesus being on earth. Meanwhile, Amils have an abundance of scriptures that...

And JW's believe the thousand years occurs after Christ returns, as you do. So, get out of here with this JW nonsense and leave them out of it.

You continue to avoid addressing the issue. Why is that? Are you afraid to do so? You acknowledged that the sword is symbolic. So, why do you act as if it's talking about a literal sword killing people, resulting in birds eating their flesh? If the sword is symbolic then the whole description of...

Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. In your view, this is talking about people with mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God. But...