JW Non-Millennialism: Jesus comes again 'in the flesh'

[Truth7t7]

The temple in Ezekiel will be built and entered into by the Lord with His glory on earth.

Waters to swim in will run out of His house, to clease the Dead Sea.

There is no sea on the new earth, much less a dead one needing cleansing.



The same priesthood of outwardly and inwardly circumcised Hebrews and Jews, as that prophesied in Ezekiel.




They will be His natural priesthood for all the earth with blood sacrifices, even as first promised in Ex 19.

All the earth will be land of the King, and all nations will be His subjects, and His earthly priesthood will make sacrifices for their sins.

The yearly feast of the tabernacle will be kept by all nations, or lose their rain.

The law of the Lord will be enforced righteously over all the earth.

There will be no wars allowed by the King, between His subject nations.

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Zerubabbels 2nd Temple Built in 536BC After The Babylonian Captivity

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

 

[Truth7t7]

The temple in Ezekiel will be built and entered into by the Lord with His glory on earth.

Waters to swim in will run out of His house, to clease the Dead Sea.

There is no sea on the new earth, much less a dead one needing cleansing.



The same priesthood of outwardly and inwardly circumcised Hebrews and Jews, as that prophesied in Ezekiel.




They will be His natural priesthood for all the earth with blood sacrifices, even as first promised in Ex 19.

All the earth will be land of the King, and all nations will be His subjects, and His earthly priesthood will make sacrifices for their sins.

The yearly feast of the tabernacle will be kept by all nations, or lose their rain.

The law of the Lord will be enforced righteously over all the earth.

There will be no wars allowed by the King, between His subject nations.

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[robert derrick]

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Zerubabbels 2nd Temple Built in 536BC After The Babylonian Captivity

The two temples were not the same measurements nor rooms.

Nor did the glory of the Lord enter the 2nd, nor was there waters flowing from the 2nd to cleanse the Dead Sea.

Unless of course, it was all symbolically fulfilled in the Symbol Man's Bible.

 

[robert derrick]

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

No sea on the new earth, for any river of waters to flow into and cleanse.

 

[Truth7t7]

No sea on the new earth, for any river of waters to flow into and cleanse.

You have been showwn "Several Times" the word "Sea" in Revelation 21:1 represents "People" and not oceans of water as you claim

 

[robert derrick]

You have been showwn "Several Times" the word "Sea" in Revelation 21:1 represents "People" and not oceans of water as you claim

True, by the authors of the Symbol Man's Bible.

I only believe the Holy Bible.

 

[robert derrick]

It was unseen and unknown even by Jesus himself.

Well, in all fairness, they are talking about another christ of their own creation.

Jesus really isn't a part of that.

 

[ewq1938]

You have been showwn "Several Times" the word "Sea" in Revelation 21:1 represents "People" and not oceans of water as you claim

That's wrong because the world will be full of people. Therefore, no sea means just that, no sea.

 

[Timtofly]

Either that, or it will not be what Christendom is expecting....which could be a variety of outcomes judging by what is revealed on these threads....I like to just let the Bible explain itself, which it does beautifully unless people want to complicate what is a relatively simple story...introducing concepts that are not in the Bible at all.

The location of God's grand Temple is not on the earth now....this is in "New Jerusalem, also called "heavenly Jerusalem. (Rev 21:1-2; Hebrews 12:22)
When God allowed the Romans to destroy his earthly Temple in 70 C.E. it was because his purpose in connection with earthly Jerusalem and fleshly Israel was finished. They could never keep their covenants and constantly disobeyed the Commandments that Jehovah gave them.
Once Jehovah had fulfilled his promise to Abraham to provide a seed from his descendants, God was finished with them, but only after he had given them first option to become "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation"....(Exodus 19:4-6)....this of course was only held our to that "remnant" of fleshly Israel who came to Christ, accepting him as Messiah. We know that the nation as a whole rejected him, and still do to this day.

As Paul said, much of what took place on earth foreshadowed something heavenly.....Jerusalem was the earthly location of God's Temple, which was the seat of God's worship at that time. When God was finished with natural Israel, he chose a new nation to serve his interests here on earth...the disciples of his son. (Acts 15:14) These Paul called, "the Israel of God", (Gal 6:16) made up of fleshly Jews and Gentiles who came to Christ from the nations.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well something about the place to worship God in the future....
She said to him..."Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” 21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

Because the worship of the true God was to become international, (Acts 1:8) a geographical location for God's Temple and seat of worship, would make no sense. The Temple of God is now in heaven, where spiritually, every person can worship God no matter where they live on the earth. There is a priesthood serving in that Temple with Jesus as High Priest. (Hebrews 3:1) All can access God through this arrangement during the 1000 years of Christ's rulership.

Revelation 21:1-5....
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."

5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”

The 'new heaven and new earth' are not the literal planet and the universe....they were created perfect, so there is no need to replace them....what will happen was prefigured in Noah's day...a complete cleansing of the earth, wiping away all wickedness....and starting again with righteous people...only this time the reset will last forever.
Jesus and his angelic forces will accomplish this, his disciples will not be involved.....we will just be bystanders watching our amazing Lord Jesus and his angels wiping this earth clean of all who practice what God hates.

I guess in 1,000 years, you can get back with me on how it turns out.

Until the New Jerusalem comes down, there will be a throne, temple, and the authority of Jesus on earth for 1,000 years.

I doubt Jesus will sit on a throne out in the open air, but your imagination can run wild trying to figure that one out. Zechariah 14:8-11

"And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited."

This all happens 1,000 years before the New Jerusalem.

 

[robert derrick]

That's wrong because the world will be full of people. Therefore, no sea means just that, no sea.

Their response is that the sea means wild people only.

The point being, that there are people who simply do not take God at His word.

It is a completely foreign thing to us, but I've learned it is true, and when I see it, I just use them as case studies in error.

They do have a limited usefulness, because searching the Scriptures to refute their errors often leads to a better knowledge of Scripture.

But with people like you, we can be actually corrected, as well as having things better expounded on.

 

[Dropship]

Personally I don't want to be stuck in a squishy fleshy body on an atoms-and molecules material earth forever, and these verses assure us that we won't be..:)-
"...the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (2 Peter:10-13)

"In the twinkling of an eye the dead shall be raised imperishable and we shall be changed" (1 Cor 15:52)

"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)

Jesus said- "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Matt 22:30)

In fact the theme has been used in sci-fi like this 'Transfigurations' episode of ST:TNG where a chap transforms from a fleshy body into a purely spiritual being-

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I didn't know JWs are non-millennialists. While I'm sure that doesn't mean all Amils are JW's; I have been asking certain of them if they are, because much of their Amil teaching looks like the natural theology of JWs found elsewhere. So I went to the source to see if JWs are Amils, and they are:

Many churches teach that Christ will return in the flesh, even as in the second century the idea developed that Jesus and his associate king-priests would reign in the flesh on earth during the millennium.

This is an excerpt from JW's non-millennialism.

It's a classic corruption of Scripture, in order to misstate Millennialism.

No Scripture says Jesus Christ is coming again in the flesh. Neither does any Scripture say His saints will rule with Him in the flesh.

'In the flesh' is a strictly Scriptural term used in two distinct ways: All men come into the world in the flesh, with mortal bodies. And all sinners are in the flesh unrighteously, so as to be walking in the flesh and doing the works of the flesh.

Jesus Christ is not coming again in the flesh, and His resurrected saints will not be ruling with Him in the flesh.

Since those inheriting the Kingdom go to heaven, all the sectarian fantasies about Jesus and the “saints” ruling in the flesh from earthly Jerusalem or Phrygia and indulging in the sensual pleasures of the flesh simply are unfounded.

And so, we see how the first lie is then used to turn Millennialism into a mockery, so that the resurrected saints are not just ruling in the flesh, but will be in the flesh unrighteously, like some Sybaritic pagan gods, or corrupt angels mating with daughters of men.

This kind of slandering of the risen Lord and His saints, is akin to another Amil tactic of trying to say His reign on earth will be over a bunch of evil reprobates, full of war and wrath and murderers going unpunished.

A sure sign of desperate dishonest teachers, is misstating the teaching of others into mockery and contempt. They can't be honest about simple objections, because they can't allow any of their self-made armour to be chinked in any way, lest they lose their armor altogether and be found naked and exposed.

Jesus is not coming again in the flesh, nor will His saints behave unrighteous in the things of the flesh, but He will simply be appearing on earth in sight of all men again, with His resurrected immortal body.

And why not? He did so for 40 days, walking and talking with over a hundred of His disciples. He can do so when He wants, and however long He wants, while the Father remains seated on His throne in glory, and the Spirit continues drawing all men to the Lord.

The only christ coming in the flesh just before His appearing in the air, will be the last great antichrist false apostle, who will appear to have risen from the dead, and will have fire come down out of heaven in the sight of men.

It will be seen who receives that one.

You are a liar and an immature child who should have his posting rights taken away. Amils believe that Jesus will return in the flesh. We just don't believe He will then rule over people on the earth after that. So, you are lying when you say that we don't believe He will return in the flesh. Also, JWs believe that the thousand years will follow Christ's return, just as Premils like yourself believe. So, your post is nothing more than a complete joke and shows that you are lazy and don't do your research before posting your nonsense.