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Christmas is the celebration of the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity. I was just wondering, what do you mean when you say that you “get in the Christmas spirit”?

@Riven it’s been a while since we’ve spoken. Are you a Christmas celebrating guy?

You directed my attention (post #923; #948) to 1 Samuel 15:3. King Saul is there. Right?

No one is laughing but you.

We’re talking about all kinds of things. For instance, you brought up King Saul. If you‘re only going to talk about reasons for the Crusades - reasons which have been stated and restated by many in this thread, including me - then what is your purpose for dredging up Saul? He wasn’t a crusader.

Jesus, the apostles, and the earliest followers of Jesus didn’t do what you you say Jesus commanded his followers to do. Jesus told his followers to buy swords for a purpose. There is no implication that he didn’t. I’ve already corrected you on this.

We have been speaking about what Jesus commands his followers. Right?

No one. Who did Jesus, the apostles and the earliest followers of Jesus fight and kill with swords? No one.

No. The followers of Jesus don’t live like the people lived in the OT. “You have heard it said, but I say to you …” How many “men and women, children and infants” have you put to death? Out of that number, how many of them were followers of Jesus?

Jesus did not command his followers to buy a sword and fight against Caesar. Jesus did not command his disciples to buy a sword and fight for Caesar. The crusaders were fighting for the pope and the Catholic Church. Jesus did not command his followers to fight for the pope and the Catholic Church.

It isn’t, and never has been, my idea that God only protects without killing. It’s who he uses to do the killing that is the issue.