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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Again, no scriptural support from you. It's impossible to take you seriously.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    That is unfortunately what it says in English translations, but you should consider that the Greek word has more meanings than just "nations" and you should consider what the original prophecy says that is being referenced in Revelation. Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I backed up my view with scripture that plainly indicates that He has been reigning for a long time already and that His followers have been in His kingdom a long time already. You backed up your view with...nothing.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Peter did not teach the idea of a thousand year day at all. That is not at all the context of this passage: 2 Peter 3: 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    In context, Paul was referring to the wrath that he described a little bit earlier: 1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Paul indicated that Jesus will return at the last trumpet when the dead in Christ are raised (1 Cor 15:22-23 in conjunction with 1 Cor 15:50-54). If that isn't the end of the trumpets, then I don't know what is. I know that you likely don't see the last trumpet and the seventh trumpet as being...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    If his claim is laughable, then why did you not address it specifically? He pointed out that John said the beast "was" in Revelation 17:8. If the beast is a man, then how could he have existed before John wrote the book of Revelation? Instead of laughing, why don't you actually address this?
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It's not called "Fulfilling of the Gentiles", it's called "the times of the Gentiles". If you can't even get this right, how can we trust anything you say? Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Do you think Jesus was confused when He said this before He ascended to heaven: Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Why can't it be him both warning them and exhorting them? 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It's not possible to be objective and conclude that 2 Peter 3:10-12 does not affect the entire earth. Deep down they must know this. I agree. But, somehow, we are the spiritualists and not them. Hmmm.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I have yet to see a Premil attempt to interpret 2nd Peter 3 without embarrassing results. They absolutely butcher that passage and take it completely out of context. They have people who are scoffing at the promise of His second coming not being punished for that until 1,000+ years after His...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Why do you have Him punishing His enemies some time after His return when scripture has Him doing it on the day He returns? 2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Where are you seeing this in 2nd Peter 3? Where is there any indication that the fire Peter mentions does not affect the entire earth, but is only going to come down in some places for the purpose of announcing "the inauguration of a new era in which righteousness reigns"? Peter indicates that...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Exactly. The context suggests that the fiery destruction that Peter described would be in response to the wickedness and unbelief of people like the scoffers that Peter described. And Peter indicated that they were scoffing at Christ's second coming. So, it only follows that the destruction...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Please tell me exactly how you interpret this passage: 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yes, it does. Peter taught it very clearly. 2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You're not reading the text carefully enough. Yes, at first, it focuses on the soldiers of the armies, but then it expands beyond just them. Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You understand that Amillennialists believe that as well, don't you? Were you somehow not aware that Amillennialists believe that Jesus returns after the thousand years and that isn't something that only Postmillennialists believe? Of course. You weren't already aware of that? Both believe that...