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Set aside for a moment that Jesus and the apostles didn’t make that argument a test of discipleship. It’s being pushed on us by only one person, so far. Let’s assume for the sake of discussion that somehow it is a test of discipleship that is or would be endorsed by Jesus and the apostles...

Apparently not. That’s a shame. They’ve offered no understanding. Their minds are set in a different direction.

There is nothing a Christian (or a non-Christian) could do to me that would cause me to kill or wound them with the sword. Christian members who are opposing me on this simple teaching of the Messiah and the apostles can’t make the same statement.

Paul wasn’t brainwashed when he said, “We do not use the weapons of the world”. The disciples weren’t and aren’t brainwashed when they refuse to use the weapons of the world. Jesus wasn’t brainwashed when he said, “Put away your sword” and “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”...

For someone who already knew the information and didn’t bother to do for me what I did for you, yes. They did. They did. I’m blaming the victims for doing to their enemies what their enemies did to them. Treat your enemy as your enemy treats you is not what Jesus and the apostles taught...

The apostles and early Christians didn’t live by the sword. The Crusaders lived by the sword and died by the sword. I’ve already addressed this comment. See above.

This is a big problem that the captain of the ship has to navigate around

IF we could go back in time and give the Crusaders a modern day theme song, this would be most fitting. They would have loved it. P.S. This is also known as the Slit Throat. https://artandseek.org/2012/03/09/this-week-in-texas-music-history-deguello/

Ignoring the constraint of history, that wouldn’t have happened to a Crusader. He would have gone down killing and maiming as many of his enemies as possible before being killed on the battlefield. A Crusader wasn’t / isn’t interested in “We don’t use the weapons of the world”. He did (and...

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/2maccabees/7 A Crusader wouldn’t have done / wouldn’t do what this Jewish mother and her seven sons did when confronting evil. Nor would a Crusader have done / wouldn’t do what the Messiah, the apostles, and the early Christians did when confronting evil.

I’m going to lay a little Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego on us. They resisted evil (without taking all means at their disposal) and were thrown into a fiery furnace. Would you be able to do what they did? Have you read Maccabees?

So the US Constitutional authority (which would grant you an exemption if you were a CO) is greater than Paul’s authority when he said “We do not use the weapons of the world”? And if the ghost of a Crusader showed up and gave you a choice between returning to the Catholic church or submit to...

Thanks. What is your response to the questions in post #286 now?

That post, as best I can tell, didn’t answer the questions I posed in post #286.

I think we can make a good case for that. Yes. God sent the Babylonians, the Assyrians and other pagans against them.

You’re a former Catholic. Would you do today what the Crusaders did in their day? Would you return to the Catholic church if an old Crusader showed up (impossible, but let’s pretend that it is) and gave you a choice between returning to the Catholic church or being slain by the Crusader?

Don’t kill your enemies; witness to them. Jesus, the apostles, and the early Christians didn’t kill their enemies; they witnessed to them. Who cares if those who would kill their enemies say you are “over-spiritualized”? While they’re busy killing their enemies and teaching others to do the...

I just did. I won’t waste your time quoting everything AI said about their atrocities (since you already exhibit an awareness of them). I used the search terms “Were atrocities committed by Muslims at the time of the Crusades?” and here is what I received - “Yes, atrocities were committed by...