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  1. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    The "Great Tribulation" began in 70 AD and *continues* throughout the NT age. Now the verses.... 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh...
  2. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    That's why I slowed it down to verse by verse.
  3. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    So, Jesus will kill you to remake you if He returns today and you are alive? What method will he use to kill you and your loved ones?
  4. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    I think that you see the entire chapter as only 1st century speak. So, let's take it one step at a time. When did this happen in history?... 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days...
  5. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    You see what I did with Matt 24. Now, post Matt 24 and narrate it like I did, and we can compare the 2 ideas.
  6. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    This skill is not how much we use to explain it, but how little. Our job is to help the reader make sense of the verse on their own, without bombing them with 70ad, 70, ad,70ad... Our job is to let the reader know they will be included in this, as much as the 1st century church was. Our job...
  7. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV) 24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another...
  8. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Just go back and look how I presented it, compared to your explanation. I just guided to passage and you overhauled it. Now, would you like to see how I also do that with Matt 24?
  9. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Whether we are alive or already dead at the rapture, we will automatically get new bodies when being caught up together. We need our new bodies to return with Jesus per Rev 19 and reign with him on earth. God will not pre-kill us to give us our new bodies.
  10. Truther

    Why do you reject authority?

    All i know is the RCC teaches that Jesus is the exaggerator made flesh.
  11. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    We don't get new bodies when we die. We are spirits made perfect per Hebrews 12 until then.
  12. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Have you noticed I explained the chapter with about 6 sentences and you use paragraphs? This is a salesman speaking, Randy.
  13. Truther

    Why do you reject authority?

    I see, you RCC teachers think Jesus really meant, "when ye pray, don't enter into your closet...". What else did Jesus not really mean or exaggerated?
  14. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Do you agree with the assessment that Jesus was speaking of the entire church age? 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these...
  15. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Question; do you think Luke 21 is past prophecy?
  16. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Got it, thanks for clarifying. I am just trying to see in what aspect you agree with preterism. I would like to discuss it.
  17. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    These passages were for the entire church age to read, then at the very end(our days), witness the signs of the times, look up. then be caught away. The next phase of our journey is Rev 19 at the marriage supper, which Jesus also spoke of taking the bride there in Matt 25.(Matt 25=Rev 19)
  18. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    The context of Matt 24-25 was end time prophecy, which we are now in. His bride is now the Acts 2:38 bride. He never took anyone as the groom yet.
  19. Truther

    One taken to heaven and the other left to face the Tribulation...

    Randy, shall we start with Luke 21?