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A good topic for a new thread, wouldn’t you agree? Then let’s discuss Jezebel’s choice of makeup - in another thread devoted to the topic. (What breed of dog gobbled her up? Did her makeup upset their stomachs? I can tell you that it turned mine.) “Pop a JW“ threads are all the rage these...

There are many examples in scripture of man seeing Yahweh in visions. “No one has ever seen God” -> but many have seen God in visions suggests to me that John wasn’t speaking about man seeing Yahweh in visions. It seems to me that this brings us back once again to “no human person“ has yet...

It results in a thread gone quickly off topic. Such is the nature of internet discussion forums.

God has a backside which can be seen by a mortal man but a face which cannot be seen by a mortal man. Do you think there will ever come a time when a man can literally see Yahweh’s face and live?

I think we can be certain of that. If Moses had literally spoken face to face with Yahweh, Moses would have died. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.” (Matthew 5:8) Is Jesus speaking or not speaking here about Yahweh?

Has anyone ever seen Yahweh in a vision at any time?

Moses saw Yahweh. Moses saw Yahweh’s back, not his face - yet Yahweh and Moses spoke face to face (Exodus 33:11).

Did Moses see Yahweh?

No. My setting notifies me when anyone posts in a thread which I’ve posted in, whether they quote a post of mine in the thread or not. I quote a post if there is something in it that I want to comment on.

John is speaking about Yahweh - the God and Father of the lord Jesus Messiah.

Taking “Jesus is God” as our starting point, we know that John isn’t speaking in this verse about the Messiah -> John himself had seen the Messiah, and so had a goodly number of other persons. Who then is John speaking about when he says, “No one has seen God at any time”?

“No one has seen God at any time.” (1 John 4:12, NET)

“Sticking to biblical convictions often seems to lose in the immediate moment. But in the long run, God always vindicates the faithful. Truth always prevails.” - Grant R. Castleberry

They should have heard the Father’s voice and seen the Father’s form / image. The Messiah’s word to them was a rebuke. “These words you hear me say are not my own. They belong to the Father who sent me” (John 14:24). ”If you have seen me, you have seen the Father” (John 14:9). The Father’s...