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Well I've listened to the arguments for this modern day interpretation of born again but in my opinion they don't stack up compared to the view of the early church. I believe, as the ancient Christians did, that being born again has something to do with baptism, at the very least. Given water...

Does it happen in one moment or over time?

"sacramentalism" I never said anything like that. You said being born of water symbolises baptism. I agree

So that i can better understand your position, can you please explain to me what your interpretation of born again is, what connection it has with being born of the spirit and its connection with the rest of chapter 3 which clearly has a lot of baptising in it?

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I've been voting for Pauline's independent party for many years, in both federal and state elections. She has had a huge surge in popularity and has topped several different polls most recently. Its the first time an independent party has topped the two major parties here. Immigration is her...

I just don't understand what your objection is to my opinion when it is actually the same as yours. There are others who disagree with you. Wouldn't it make more sense to argue with them who disagree with you

Sorry. I think I was trying to answer someone else and accidentally referred to you

Actually, Nicodemus didn't get it at all. John 3:10 10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? The modern claim that water refers to amniotic fluid is an erroneous one in my opinion. I think the ancient interpretation makes much more sense, that the...

Only in the U S of A :Laughingoutloud:

Considering you actually agree with me about the water I don't really understand your objection to my opinion about it. There are people here who disagree with you but your only arguing with me who you agree with. You just appear to be antagonising me

Wow. Hummingbirds are so cool. Unfortunately we don't have them in Australia

Only in America

Yea someone else mentioned Eze 36:22-36 Interesting

I'm not sure. Do you have any idea?

It's still no reason for Jesus to use incorrect terminology Thats another reason, I was thinking that as well. It's something that doesn't need to be mentioned, we're all born from a mother first. Also the fact that he says "water AND spirit" is a clear indication that He is speaking about...

To be honest your explanation just confused me. At one stage you seem to be saying that being born again doesn't involve baptism but then it looks like your saying that it does involve baptism. Which one is it? I believe in the ancient interpretation that being born again does involve baptism...

Birth fluid is not water at all. It's amniotic fluid. Jesus is wise. It's highly improbable that Jesus got this simple fact mixed up. Besides, if Jesus was talking about 2 separate events he would of said "water THEN spirit" But the fact that he says "water AND spirit" is a clear indication...

That's exactly why it's not water. Watermelon is 92% water. Cordial mix can be 95% water. None of it is water unless it's 100% H2O

You make a good point there Romans 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we...