Born Again = Eternal Security : 'In Christ".

[Rockerduck]

why do you believe that we possess eternal salvation now?

thks

Once you receive the Holy Spirit , you know for sure that you are going to Heaven. That's an eternal salvation promise from the Holy Spirit that's seals you until the day of redemption in heaven.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Once you receive the Holy Spirit , you know for sure that you are going to Heaven. That's an eternal salvation promise from the Holy Spirit that's seals you until the day of redemption in heaven.

Not salvation cos it CANNOT be lost!

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? (future)

We have grace!

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10 life and life more abundantly

Grace can be lost!

Eph 5:2-6 children of disobedience shall not inherit the kingdom of God
gal 5:1-4 fallen from grace
gal 5:19-21 shall not inherit the kingdom of God
gal 6:7-8 sow and reap
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20 shall not inherit the kingdom of God
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
Hebrews 6:4-6 fall away
rev 21:8 sin buys the lake of fire
rev 21:27 sin keeps us out of heaven
rom 8:1 gace lost by sin
gal 5:4 can fall from grace
1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain
2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? NOTHING!
2 Peter 1:10 diligence to make your calling and election sure
Luke 15:24 my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.

thks

 

[Rockerduck]

I said salvation cannot be lost, its eternal, sealed by the Holy Spirit. Read what I said again. Hebrew 1:14 - is talking about angels.
Maybe you can lose Grace, but I can't. Eph. 2:8-9 -For by Grace you are saved by Faith. God is not an Indian giver, His gifts are irrevocable. You need to do some background study on those verses you posted.

 

[Armour of God]

 

[faithhopecharity]

Once you receive the Holy Spirit , you know for sure that you are going to Heaven. That's an eternal salvation promise from the Holy Spirit that's seals you until the day of redemption in heaven.

please explain


rom 11:27-22

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The apostle himself says that the Jews, who would not believe in Christ, were branches broken off. and that the Gentiles, a wild olive tree, were grafted into the good olive, that is, the holy stock of the Hebrews, that they might partake of the fatness of the olive tree... For Christ was always preached in the olive tree, and those who did not believe in Him when He came were broken off, while those who believed were grafted in. St. Augustine

Lk 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Jn 15:1-6

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

abide by keeping the commandments

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

thks

 

[Rockerduck]

please explain


rom 11:27-22

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The apostle himself says that the Jews, who would not believe in Christ, were branches broken off. and that the Gentiles, a wild olive tree, were grafted into the good olive, that is, the holy stock of the Hebrews, that they might partake of the fatness of the olive tree... For Christ was always preached in the olive tree, and those who did not believe in Him when He came were broken off, while those who believed were grafted in. St. Augustine

Lk 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Jn 15:1-6

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

abide by keeping the commandments

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

thks

If you have the Holy Spirit I wouldn't need to explain and you wouldn't have to ask.

 

[faithhopecharity]

I said salvation cannot be lost, its eternal, sealed by the Holy Spirit. Read what I said again. Hebrew 1:14 - is talking about angels.
Maybe you can lose Grace, but I can't. Eph. 2:8-9 -For by Grace you are saved by Faith. God is not an Indian giver, His gifts are irrevocable. You need to do some background study on those verses you posted.

hope this will explain it for you

no hurry take your time study well

Salvation in a nutshell!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,(justification) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ / Mt 10:22 endures to the end Shall be saved. (Salvation)

(((definition of terms)))

"first we must agree on these terms or we can never attain to an understanding"


The process of salvation!
(any part of the process of salvation can be called salvation or the past tense saved especially the redemption which was accomplished by Christ)

((Redemption))

eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

((Justification))

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, (redemption) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (righteousness)

* * * * * * *

{ before justification works? no!
"justification is a free gift"
after justification works? yes }

* * * * * * *

((Union))

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...

Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

((sanctification))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

practice of the virtues: faith, hope, & charity etc.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (impossible without works) mt 26:41 watch & pray / heb 12:4 James 4:7 resist / eph 6:10-18 armor of God / Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 suffering

((grace enables good works))

Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 cor 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

((Perseverance))

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Romans 2:7 patience
James 1:4 patience a perfect work
Hebrews 10:36
need of patience
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth


((Perseverance unto death))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Judgement))

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

((eternal life: grace))
(life & union now)

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

2 cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (grace)

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life: full eternal salvation in the next life))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

((Gloification))

Glorification: crowned by God if we suffer with Christ!
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

If you have the Holy Spirit I wouldn't need to explain and you wouldn't have to ask.

a nice dodge is just a car