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If you are postrib rapture, you are owning a Noah gathering post flood. Every postribber paints himself into numerous corners. If it is not a gathering into the ark pretrib, then your model has Noah gathered how? What exactly is a Noah gathering postrib.? ( your postrib rapture interpretation...

The seals are opened at the AC arrival. The judgements of the 4 horsemen come from heaven. Pretrib rapture...then all hell breaks loose including the extermination of anyone refusing the mark. Pretrib rapture first. Seals judgements follow immediately.

Feast of trumpets has the last trumpet blown every year in the fall. Not saying the rapture is in the fall, but most everyone is oblivious to Gods clock and markers. That look at the feasts as indirect. Heaven sees them as direct. IOW, If you look at the sacrifice of the ot temple and the...

It is taught by Jesus, as pretrib, 4 or 5 times with no trumpet mentioned. I am Not saying there will not be one at the rapture,. If you look at Revelation ch one, his voice is as "a trumpet." So, if you are limiting a trumpet to limited verses you think are exclusive, the picture starts to blurr.

I got a kick out of looking up "took" in the Greek. It is mostly used in a good sense. One definition is, "to weigh anchor" ...hilarious. Also in the "one taken" wording.( of mt 24) When you look it up, in the greek, ("taken" ), it is almost always "to a good place" Oooops.

They are unable to understand that since THEY FRAME the flood as the trib, then there can be no postflood rapture, with noah. Their own doctrine did that to them. They also stammer and stumble, over lot being gathered pretrib (which would NORMALLY BE overly obvious.) That doctrine is so busted...

La la la. Who cares?????? You need it reposted for the 3rd and 4th time? ?? Nothing burger you can't admit.

That is what will happen. It may take a few years or months from the rev14: 14 garhering. Rev 14 has 3 events. 3 separate events. Nothing is said of the timetable separation of the 3. However main harvest usually happens quickly after firstfruits. No telling the exact timing of the winepress...

It literally can not be. In order for that theory to work, the Bible would need to NOT DESCRIBE those 2 events. There is no way Jesus sitting on a cloud, holding a sickle, is the same thing, as the second coming, with Jesus as a warrior (WITH NO SICKLE) And a billion man army on billions of...

You will for the most part receive what you project. Even in churches.

....and yet Jesus used "Jews" and "Israel" interchangeably. So your deal vanishes before the eye. You mat 29-31 reference has Jesus gathering nobody. Angels gather. Jesus stays/ sends angels. You get an F

I am quoting you. You said it. You GAVE 2 EXAMPLES of the flesh being saved. I only reported what YOU SAID. Maybe edit it if you don't want to own it. But your deal is basically that. You have difficulty with scripture.

He can not reconcile it, so he shoves it off the table.

Exactly. That is what it says. My point is from the other 2 previous groups of rev 14. Read vs 1 through 14. That other passage you mention is AFTER those previous events.

Well here ya go. Davy said: And you are thinking with your FLESH, thinking that Christ's Salvation is about our flesh when it is not. I have to laugh at those who just BYPASS what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the change to the "spiritual body" at the "twinkling of an eye" on...

Rev 19 is after the wrath part. Rev 14 is during the trib ( prewrath) Rev 14 has a description that is not the rapture of the church, or the second coming on millions of horses.

First you say no flesh involved in salvation. Then you say he will save your flesh. Then you give verses where some ancients had their flesh saved.

...and check this out; In order to be a post trib adherent, I have to spiritualize the 144000 . And discount any reference to them, as being first fruits Actually, they bury the concept of firstfruits, as is evidenced that they are oblivious to the concept, or the concept of harvest. and...

If you count rev 14, it is 3 times 3 separate comings.

Pretrib doctrine does not twist matt 24 as you have found it necessary to do. Your deal is so busted. You have invested in such folly.