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Long explanations/opinions often lead to confusion. LOF if take mark AND worship - no disagreement there. Take the mark yet not worship beast = Christian loses Eph 1:13 seal ? Now that becomes a problem for those who believe tribulation (MOTB) age saints are covered by Eph 1:13. My belief is Eph...

Simply reading the verses. Rev 14:9-11 worship the beast AND take the mark = LOF If beast/image worship stops would LOF be off the table ? Rev 16:2 beast worship or take mark = receive a grievous sore yet no mention of LOF Rev 16:8-9 no mention of LOF I only see LOF when worship AND take mark...

Yet in Revelation 14:9, Rev 14:11 , John uses the word AND not OR Both conditions are required not one or the other. Rev 16:2 writes of a punishment for taking the mark yet does not teach go to LOF. What verses teach otherwise ?

Yes, because NEITHER you or I would be willing to do what Moses did

Been there, it gives the possibilities based on context In the context of Rev 14:9 KAI = AND. Here is OR . You claimed the Berean Bible writes OR receives the mark. Please list the one that does so

That was not my claim. Moses was willing to die & be removed from the Book of life so that others would not die, did he know whether they would receive salvation by him dying & being removed from the BOL ?

I went here :- https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/14-9.htm KAI = AND in this context Please list the Berean Bible that writes OR takes the mark

Agreed yet John writes AND take the mark not OR You claimed the Berean Bible writes OR, which one ? This one writes AND not OR

Exodus 32:32 ...then blot me out of the book you have written Neither you are I are like Moses and willing to be blotted out so that others can live, Good to see you are human too.

List the Bible you are reading from

"worship the beast AND take the mark" Why did John write AND & not OR ?

Look beast, I'm trying to have a polite discussion with you so why turn to insults ?

Does the verse write AND or OR, which one ?

"""I'd wip out my Berean Bible which reads... One of these below ? Berean Bible Rev 14:9 Berean Standard Bible And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, Berean Literal Bible...

Yet you've already admitted you'll be raptured BEFORE the MOTB is even a thing to worry about

Is polite conversation something you are incapable of beast ?

Does the verse state AND take the mark OR take the mark ? Does OR & AND have the same meaning or different ?

So CC would refuse the mark and stand by watching ALL his friends, family, people he knows, many who are not believers have their heads whacked off ?

Thing is CC, the verse writes AND not OR. The person must worship the beast AND take the mark. What if the Christian does NOT worship the beast yet takes the mark so as to stop all his family & friends from being executed ?

......receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Yet the verse states OR not AND Based on that verse, if a Christian receives the mark in his hand OR in his forehead yet does NOT worship the beast/image then he has not met all 3 conditions required to be sent to the LOF