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The whole point is just because a future saint decides to take the mark does not necessarily mean he is worshipping the beast. eg If ALL your family, friends & people you knew where being shot dead in front of you one at a time until you took the "mark", would you take the 'mark' thereby willing...

What verses do you rely on to support that allegorical ? view. ..

Does Scripture teach that the Rev 14:9-11 MOTB happens before the 2 Thess 2:3 "man of sin" is revealed ? If so, please list the verses so as to help me to understand where I am wrong.

""It's definitely not a round ball."" Earth is not a perfect sphere. It is an oblate spheroid, meaning it bulges slightly at the equator and is flattened at the poles due to its rotation. For the most precise scientific measurements of gravity and sea levels, the planet is mapped as a geoid...

Yes, after the 2 Thess 2:3 "man of sin" has been revealed to the whole world.

Neither do I see how the Bible can be used to explain the shape of the earth, to do that requires a lot of "imagination".

Agreed & being a Tribulation saint (of which there currently are none today) you will know that belief alone will not save you and that works/performance/don't do/do will be required.

Earth is sphere confirmed by locations that can see stars that other loc's cant. Eg Peru & Cross Slea Head Ireland Peru sees Sigma Octantis yet Cross Slea Head Ireland can't. Odd considering Cross Slea Head has a a clear view of the NA ocean

So you claim the mountains near Longyearbyen block the view of Sigma Octantis ? .... Lets see :- So let's use a location where mountains should not be an issue :- ... Dingle Ireland. Why can't Dingle Ireland not see Sigma Octantis ? ... Yet populations on the equator can. Any other locations...

Can you list the verses that debunk the judgment given in Rev 14:9-11 ? 9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which...

Yes of course, many people worship outside of a church Does everyone who goes to Church and gives the impression they are worshipping GOD actually are in their heart worshipping GOD ? Eg, a young fella trying to impress his Christian girlfriend ?

Yes, beyond any doubt He did. Does GOD teach the earth is square/rectangular ? Rev 7:1 ...I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, Does the 'square' earth hang from one corner ? Job 26:7 ...., and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Does GOD explain :- Why can't Longyearbyen see...

Hi B. The center of that map cant see the stars that the perimeter can The perimeter of the map cant see the stars that the center can. The equator countries can see all the stars the center & perimeter can Is there a NON-spherical earth map that can explain that ? ..

Good to see that you & I agree on what the Gospel is that saves you & I. """What has this to do........"" Then report it rather than respond to it, DUH

Thx for the reply IR. My response was re the MOTB Rev 14:9 ......and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Once received, how would they be able to repent of it ? .. Matt 12:31-32 Blaspheme the HS - no option to repent Rev 16:9-11 Blas the name of GOD - repent was an option ?? they...

Yes, the TRIBULATION saints, as well as faith they have a whole lot of do & don'ts to follow. eg :- - Don't take the 'mark' .. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was...

'falling away/apostasia, then rapture/rapiemur/harpadzo, then day of the Lord/Christ ... 2 Thess 2:3 "...for that day shall not come < day of the Lord except there come a falling away first > apostasia THEN 2 Thess 2:1 "... and by our gathering together unto him, > the rapture 1 Thess 4:17...

>>>>"I think "receive" doesn't mean receive — that it can describe something later reversed through repentance. Please list the relevant Scripture that has led you to your conclusion.

Yes, so I'm not sure how people get RAPTURE from apostasia. Now 1 Thess 4:17 is a different matter .... Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. For those who believe. eg 1 Cor 15:1-4