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Well ideally one would hold their leaders accountable regardless of what they personally believe. I used the Romans as an example, but it applies to today's leaders just as well. If you're a politician, you don't want people to think critically about the things you say or do. You'll have...

That's what I'm referring to. The Romans loved the idea of Christianity teaching people to not hold their leaders accountable, and to only focus on the hereafter.

I don't hate our country. But I am disgusted by what it's become. They call it a democracy, and yet, all of the decisions are made by billionaires in the ruling class.

He was right in more ways than one. Our country was sold to the highest bidder, and this Christian religion was spoon fed to the population to make the peasants content with their discontent.

With everything getting worse, I mean. This country is going to hell. Everything is expensive. All we ever hear about is how great everything is from billionaires. This country disgusts me. I saw a couple videos earlier of some WW2 vets that are still alive. They said they regret it all. They...

And the fourth way is to call customer service. :funlaugh2

It's true. I have that effect on people. :funlaugh2

That's not an argument. You were around in 2003, I assume. We were lied to by our government. We invaded Iraq under a false pretense. I don't condemn Israel for defending itself. I supported Israel defending itself after 10/7. However, it became clear that it wasn't self defense; Israel went on...

No. But if you attack a nation that's never attacked you and has no plans to attack you, that makes you the aggressor. Yeah. Good times. I don't. I'm saying that Israel is either not interested in defeating Hamas, or they're strategic objectives lie elsewhere. I do, and I think most people...

When did Saddam Hussein attack the United States? I was born in 1988. But Vietnam never attacked the United States before the US invaded. I love America. But I think the government no longer represents the interests of the American people. I don't hate Israel. I hate how much influence it...

Why? Iraq - 2003. Iran - 2025. Somalia - 2025. Vietnam - 1965. Syria - ongoing. I'm not convinced that Israel is an ally. I think they're using the United States as a piggy bank to fund their wars and their ambitions to expand Israeli territory.

I agree. We bomb countries all the time that have never attacked us. That's an act of war. It's four billion dollars that could instead go towards America and helping Americans.

So really no different than an average day for me in school. When I was in the Christian school, my teacher believed in collectively punishing everyone in the class for the misdeeds of one. Well it was a bit too much like original sin to me; I did nothing wrong and I thought it was unfair. So...

You haven't expressed your opinion. You defer to a 2,000 year old dead man. I ask the other members of the forum, am I right or am I wrong? You say that God decides who the political leaders are. I say, why should we vote then? To which you say we have "limited freewill". What the hell does...

What do you think is wrong?

Nothing has happened to me. We are having a discussion. You asked earlier if the cat had my tongue. Now I return and you think there's something wrong.

But if I want your opinion, I'm out of luck. Why? That's an opinion no one asked for. God's will can be thwarted by mere mortals. Imagine that. Because I actually dare to have one. I don't just defer to some 2,000 year old dead scribe. It matters enough to be judged, does it not? Easy for...

That's Paul's opinion, not yours. But did their rejection thwart God's will? There's no such thing. Then scripture is wrong. It means very little without freewill.

Sure, in the reverse. Mass immigration. I would vote against it. Universal healthcare for Americans I would vote for.

Right. Because apparently you can't speak for yourself even when asked for your personal opinion. A mechanism that doesn't work if God's will is fulfilled regardless. Remind me again how I have freewill. God's will matters more than your freewill. Got it. That's correct. I value my freewill...