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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Do you agree that anyone can be described as an "anti-christ" - because they preach a different gospel? But, do you agree there can only be one little horn - that preaches a different gospel, claims the place of God on earth, claims to forgive sin, claims divinity, changes God's laws and...
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    Some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

    It is interesting that these parables of the sower discuss how the Word of God will be heard / received / and put into practice to produce fruit. 1) If we look at Matthew, he records the percentages in a descending order of 100 %, 60 % and then 30 %, 2) If we look at Mark, he records the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Matthew 27 does not call the raised saints the 144,000. Malachi 3 does not identify those remembered by God as the souls under the altar. Revelation 6 does not say the souls under the altar are all faithful Israelites from the Old Covenant. The white robes are not identified as the seal of...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I am not sure I see Revelation making the connections you are making. Please consider - Revelation 6 does not identify the souls under the altar as the 144,000. They are described as people who were slain for the word of God and their testimony. Revelation 7 then introduces 144,000 servants who...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    @covenantee This will be my final response within this thread. If you still have a need or want to keep your "replacement theology" that is certainly up to you. Israel, the Church, and the Future Removal of Blindness I believe our disagreement can be made much simpler if we begin with the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I certainly agree with you that “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” does not have an expiration date. Salvation will always be through faith in Christ, whether the person is Jew or Gentile. But I am not sure Romans 11 limits Israel’s blindness only to the individuals...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I believe our disagreement is now sufficiently clear. You interpret every promise, election, gift, and calling concerning Israel as applying only to faithful believers—the remnant or the Church. Therefore, your framework does not allow ethnic Israel to retain any distinct prophetic purpose...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    There is nothing that I have mentioned in these few responses that disagrees with you. But there is nothing that prevents God from using them in any manner He chooses. And I have offered how I believe God will "remove the blindness of His people" after the "time of the Gentiles" and they will...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    But Romans 11:28 does not contain two different groups of people. Paul writes: “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.” The same “they” is viewed from two different perspectives: With respect to the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I agree with part of what you are saying. Faith and obedience were always necessary for anyone to enjoy God’s covenant blessings, and Gentiles were permitted to join Israel’s covenant community. But the verses you quoted do not show that ethnicity was irrelevant. They show that a stranger could...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Before I continue answering your questions, could you please state your own position clearly? Do you believe that ethnic Israel ceased to be God’s covenant people after rejecting Christ, so that God now has no distinct future purpose for the Jewish people? And how do you understand Paul’s...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    To be candid, I thought I was quite clear.... but please consider the following: In the matter of salvation, God’s redeemed people are all who belong to Christ through faith—Jew and Gentile alike. No one is saved merely because of ancestry, and an unbelieving Jew does not possess salvation...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    What are you saying then - that God does not have a special purpose for His people at the time of the end? Certainly you are correct in that unless one is saved - have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior they will not see the Kingdom of Heaven - that offer is available to both Jew and...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Reflective Narrative: From Israel’s Expected Kingdom to the Worldwide Kingdom of God After His resurrection, Jesus spent forty days with His disciples, “speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3). Yet when they gathered with Him, their question revealed that they were...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I believe God purposely placed the following phrase within those verses to remove any doubt about how to interpret these 70 weeks… “Until the Messiah.” Pretty sure He arrived exactly on time - the first day of the 70th week.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I don't mind discussing the many interpretations that can be found throughout the Christian community. And I can assure you there is absolutely no consensus of opinion on MOST of Daniel - especially among the scholars - old and new. Further, I have read and studied the works of those scholars...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, I think you have made it quite clear how you see things... no problem. But you might consider that Daniel was written specifically for His people and His city. Meaning, this book's most important prophecy is the coming of their Messiah within the early part of the 4th kingdom. It was not...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Here is where you might want to start - this is the first mention of the little horn. 7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Again, just general comments .. begin with Daniel 7 and stay there. This is where God is teling us all about him. Who is this actor?