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Okay, fine... <sigh> Jesus, in what He said to Nicodemus, was really only talking about how our individual salvation is initially... obtained... not His second coming. I neither need nor care abot your affirmation of my correctness, Scott. Certainly, you may tell me whether you agree with me...

Wow. Well okay then. Grace and peace to you. Agreed. Sure. But there was some amount of time that passed. So what you quote here, whatever it is, seems to agree with me... even if it was momentary... <smile> All of creation was unfallen before the Fall. That's my very point. And that...

Hmmmm. <chuckles> Your posts, many of them, and this one in particular, are... interesting, Scott. <smile> Yeah, not sure what you mean by the uh, "Nicodemus account"... <smile> ...being "a reference to the heart of the matter." But I think you would agree that it was about what is required...

You can certainly just chalk it up as my opinion if you want; I have no issue with that. I mean I could ask you how you prove otherwise, and you might say you just did, but you gave me your opinion, too, RWB. All good. I'm not assuming anything; see above. If by saying I'm assuming, on one...

Yeah, here is the issue. There's a conflation here in what you say of two very different things... specifically the darkness of Genesis 1 and what is being spoken of as "darkness" in Isaiah 45. Right, including... in the context of what it refers to in Genesis 1, darkness, synonymous in this...

Not the only thing that was being discussed. But to that one particular thing, yes, it was. Right, and he was incorrect in doing so. <smile> Actually, right, inasmuch as "city of peace," but wrong, it seems, at least, regarding what ~ who, actually ~ that city really is. <smile>...

This all could have been much shorter... sorry; I think I'm repeating myself to some extent... As I have said, the issue seems to be your understanding of that "creating." Even in the way you are saying that, by saying He creates darkness and evil in the context in which you're saying that and...

from above... And this is the same case in point... the issue is how you understand this "creating" of darkness and evil. Depending on the context, we can say God creates something... A. ...in the same sense that He created the world, in that sense He's the author of it and therefore wholly...

Fair enough. Well, yes, I was serious, but you're understanding me incorrectly here, which is fair; what I was doing is stating the implication of what you were saying... even while knowing you weren't consciously or intentionally implying that. Continued below...

Actually... <chuckles> This is not necessarily meant specifically for you, Scott, but... Yes, Jesus says, in Luke 17:20, "The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed"... and we can understand at least two things in that: It is very closely related, intimately, really, to...

I tend to think ignoring anybody is itself ignorance. <smile> So maybe you think God is the author of sin? Which would be tantamount to saying God Himself is capable of sin and thus sinful...? Yeah, no; I disagree with how you at least seem understand that... or possibly insinuate without...

No need for argument... <smile> We are never told what the origin of evil is. Why did Satan come to be? Why was he in the garden? These are unanswerable questions, because God doesn't tell us... nowhere in the Bible are we told. And really, whatever the answers are, they really matter...

Precisely the opposite, actually; that would apparently be you. Oh, I know that, but I was making a point in saying what I said. Which, either you know, and you get it, or it's lost on you because... well, I'll leave at that that, so as not to, you know, badmouth you. I certainly do. And if...

Agreed. I even said in that very quote that there has been no discussion. And only that the things you mentioned were worthy of discussion. But yes, agreed. And of any modicum of humility or grace there has been between us has only flowed one way... I didn't "badmouth" anybody, Scott, or...

And there it is again. Arrogance, anger, and lack of grace... Surely contrary to the fruit of the Spirit. Hm. Okay, then. Count on it happening again? Well, it surely hasn't happened yet; one-way condescension and attempted "gotcha bombs" don't... well, don't count... as discussion, Scott...

This is only partially true. We Christians, all of us born again of the Spirit, are all enduring ~ regardless of what kind of "tribber" we are <LOL!> ~ by God's power worked in us (more and more, hopefully) by the Holy Spirit, not in our own power in and of ourselves. Not just "as Noah did...

Well... you tried, I guess. <smile> And there's more than just typos at issue... <smile> But I mean here's another one... innocuous, but still: That would be 'gist.' The gist of what you have been saying. Or maybe you actually mean jest... <smile> Oh, and your clarity... yeah that's...

Good, so you're here acknowledging what I have been saying (eternity is the age to come); you seemed to be refuting it before. Which is at least a little odd, but okay. <smile> Ahhhh, not sure what you're saying here. Are you talking about what Paul said about him pressing on ~ and thereby...

Well, forthright... I mean, nobody ~ I don't think, at least ~ questions your directness, honesty, or straightforwardness, Scott. Even with that being the case, though, it is still possible to be... mistaken... <smile> But to the point, here, the general tenor of at least your most recent...

LOL! Sure. It kept Noah and his family ~ and the animals, of course ~ safe in the midst of the judgment placed upon the world. Yeah, it floated, for sure. LOL! Good. "derived"... Do you know what that word means, CrowCross? I mean, coming from or caused by something else... Noah was not...