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Right... Well, but he will, because, having been born again of the Spirit, and because of having this new spirit in him, even the Holy Spirit ~ given to Him by God's grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), because of this, his will is then to do God's will. This is the natural result of being...

Right. The calling of God and the gifts of the Spirit are irrevocable. And we are kept in the Spirit through faith by the power of the Spirit to the day of Christ. The good word that God began in us He will bring to completion at that day. If anyone "goes back" to dwelling in sin, he or she...

Goodness gracious. I mean, just... wow. Yeah, great thread, fellas. Hoo, boy. Grace and peace.

Interesting... Here's how I understand it, Earburner. <smile> The whole of Revelation is about the time from Christ's life on earth to the time He returns. "After this" is the setting, as John says at that outset of his visions in Revelation 4:1, and this is analogous... synonymous with...

(4 of 4) Wrapping up, because now we're just back to more of the same, more of you just saying... uh... "stuff"... stupid stuff... <chuckles> Whatever... <smile> You literally said, Dan, that I was "back in that false doctrine having been deceived by the devil in to believing Romans 7 man is...

(3 of 4) See, this is not what the Reformers said or believed at all. What you're not... allowing for (pun intended), Dan... is that God allows some things to happen, which can be the case even if ~ when ~ the Lord doesn't necessarily "want" them to happen and doesn't cause them to happen. If...

(2 of 4): As Paul says in Romans 3:22-23, "...there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." And then in Romans 5:12, "...sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned..." And in Ephesians...

I'm assuming you are Protestant and not Catholic, so much of what you think, too, "comes from the Reformers." <smile> What happened in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, Dan is called the Protestant Reformation, and it was begun in October, 1517 by Martin Luther, when he nailed his "95...

Much of what I think about Biblical things, Dan, is different from what you teach. And that's a good thing, because in those cases, you're guilty of doing the very thing you accuse me of here. In.... your opinion. But hey, rather than just making assertions here with no reasoning, and about...

In your... humble opinion. Even Paul, though ~ after he was born again... said... well, quoting... "I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do...

Interesting. I say ~ as a five-point Calvinist, and I think if John Calvin were part of this conversation he would agree ~ that, humanly speaking, to say there is no free will is absolutely equivalent to saying man has no brain and cannot think, and thus cannot evaluate anything at all or make...

<eye roll> That's about as stupid a statement as denying the nose on your face. You are. You have a very, very low definition of 'hate.' You do, and you are doing so here, on a brother in Christ who is long deceased and on a brother in Christ you are speaking to now (me). Me, too. Tell me...

Hard times, weren't they, Anchorite? Again, none of it invalidates or nullifies the work John Calvin did for and great contributions John Calvin made to the church. The same is true of Martin Luther, who said some awful things near the end of his 62 years. They were sinners, as are we all...

LOL. Ridiculous. Not you, per se, but that's just a ridiculous thought. Right. Thank God for that... Well, his crime against the state, yes. It was a capital offense in those days in Switzerland. And he was prosecuted for it. And punished to the full extent of it. By the state. I'm not...

It is, sure. But it really has no relevance to this discussion. I mean, technically it wasn't a murder; he committed a crime punishable by execution. John Calvin had no hand in making that law, or actually passing it into law, or carrying out the execution order of the state/magistrate...

Thanks, Dan, but you know, self-portraits are not necessary... <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Okay, well, likewise, where did Paul? Or David? Again, none of Calvin's writings were inspired by the Holy Spirit as Paul's or David's writings in the Bible, but still, the question is valid: Where did Paul or David ever say anything other than, basically, repentance is a good and necessary...

I'm not doing any such ridiculous thing. Goodness gracious. If you say, though, that John Calvin was a murderer because he approved of the execution of Christians, then, yes, even according to Scripture itself, you have to say the same of Paul (at that time Saul), who, according to Luke in...

I do believe, though, that Calvin was right about Biblical things, as opposed to Arminius, though. That I do... Was he not saved ~ a baseless and silly claim, of course ~ because he was a murderer? Because if so, then, to my point above, neither was David or Paul... Hmmm, yes, so maybe, Dan...

And why cannot what's being said there, rebuilder, only (as if it's some mere thing) to show the difference between one group and another, without any real reference to percentages or portions? Ah, well that we agree on... it's not nearly so "plain" ~ in the sense of being so overly simplistic...