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  1. PinSeeker

    Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

    Absolutely. He said He was coming back... I get that you think so, but there is absolutely nothing there about taking us anywhere when he returns. Yes, His Father's house... we will certainly dwell in the house of the Lord forever (Psalm 23). God is spirit (John 4:24), CrowCross; surely...
  2. PinSeeker

    Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

    You and I both know, David, that @The Light will point out what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4 (and maybe a thing or two other than that, but primarily that). What's always been interesting to me is, Paul says Jesus will return there ~ "with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and...
  3. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, of course... as do you. Hey, um, about your post 773 above... Who's the "Holly" Spirit? <chuckles> Grace and peace to you.
  4. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    <chuckle> Grace and peace to you.
  5. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    LOL! I think you’re… Well. Bless your heart. LOL! You have no idea how much I don’t care. <smile> Yeah don’t care. That says way, way more about you and the kind of… person… you are than anybody or anything else. Oh, that’s good, something to agree on to end it. <smile> Cool. Grace and...
  6. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Oh I get your, um, “point”… <chuckles> There’s nothing symbolic about His ascension (it was what it was) or His return (it will be what it will be. The manner in which His return is portrayed ~ the imagery given to John in that particular vision in Revelation 19 ~ conveys to us the power, the...
  7. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    You are. Nope. I am not. Tastes great! Less filling! Tastes great! Less filling! <smile> I don’t lie. Lying bad! <chuckles> <eye roll>. Right back atcha, Davy. Grace and peace to you.
  8. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Well, I would agree; we will in fact be rescued. Yes, when Jesus returns, He will free us ~ and all of creation ~ from sin and death, for sure, as I said. But to... well... parlay that into, "oh, yeah, that means they believed we will be whisked away to... someplace else... and then return...
  9. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I mean it does all happen at the end of the thousand years, God's millennium, but no, you're making a second timeline up, as Darby did in about 1830, and as all pre-trib folks even today do. <smile> In your opinion, sure, I understand. And is. No, then... after Jesus's return and the final...
  10. PinSeeker

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    "rainbows, puppy dogs, butterflies and daisies"... do you mean without sin? If so, then, that's correct, the world will not yet be without sin, at least not initially. That will be the case after the final Judgment, after which the New Heaven and New Earth and the Kingdom of God will be...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Sure. I understand. Me, too... it's why I quoted him... <smile> Again: "Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    No, again, it’s just that your understanding of who truly makes up God’s Israel is wrong; again, God’s true Israel is Christ Jesus Himself, which means then that all those in Christ are of God’s Israel: Matthew tells us that Jesus fulfills Hosea 11 (Matt. 2:13–15). He is the true Israel, the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    You are, yes, but your… limited… understanding of it is the issue. I don’t. See above. Um, no, of course not. God’s true Israel is Jesus Christ, Davy. And all those in Christ ~ of any ethnicity, Jewish or otherwise ~ are true Jews of God, of His Israel. I agree. The nation God promised...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Also, @Davy .... <smile>... about God's Israel... Hosea the prophet ministered during the eighth century BC and focused his attention primarily on the northern kingdom of Israel. During the early part of Hosea’s ministry, Jeroboam II ruled over Israel and the northern kingdom enjoyed a good...
  15. PinSeeker

    Revelation chapter 11 questions

    David, I agree with you that Satan is not the king over the "locusts"... <smile> Consider what these "locusts" are "like" ~ "horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, their hair like women’s hair, and their teeth like...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Unbelieving Jews, Davy, are not Jews of God. As Paul (who of course was very, very, very Jewish) says, "...no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    The blanket answer to all your... "queries" ... is... well, two Biblical quotes, although this is certainly not an exhaustive list: "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Did you mean to say "Hey PinSeeker"...? <smile> I think I know what you're driving at, Peter, so I'll say this: Instead of thinking of it in the sense of "what you and I must do" ~ as if our being Holy-Spirit sealed depends on something we do ~ we should think of it rather in the sense that...
  19. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Hmmm... so you think neither David nor Paul are saved... and with Jesus now. Wow. Okay, then... And you think you are sinless... Yeah, okay, but again, in John's words, you deceive yourself, and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8). But I guess you probably, uh, "think"... John wasn't...
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    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Sure. Hmmm. So King David and the apostle Paul are both in hell? <chuckles> Sin is sin, for sure. But you mean 'practiced' in the wrong sense. It's not just in the wooden sense of being "done a large number of times"... <smile>... but rather done habitually and intentially, so walking...