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  1. PinSeeker

    The taken and the left

    Not mad, just... astounded. <smile> Who was taken away, Rebuilder? Who? <smile> Not the righteous... <chuckles> Ahhhh, appears,' hmmm.... <smile> But we don't have to rely on... 'appearances' (even though that's not the appearance at all)... Jesus Himself says who was taken away in those...
  2. PinSeeker

    The taken and the left

    <chuckles> Ah, okay. <smile> Yes. <smile> Now that's interesting that you say that... "imagination"... Very interesting. <smile> I don't mean anything untoward by saying this, but I feel sure you will not understand what I mean by that... Right, agreed; we can all say that many things...
  3. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    I know who John Calvin was. He was a sinner, just like David ~ oh yeah, how could I forget: and Paul ~ and the rest of us. Yes, he did some very sinful and possibly reprehensible things. But none of it nullifies the great things he said and wrote. Grace and peace to you.
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    The taken and the left

    During Noah’s flood ~ which was God's judgement, all but Noah and his family (and the animals, of course), all others were swept away. No one was “raptured.” So will it be at the end of the age. The unrepentant, those on Jesus’s left in the final Judgment, having been resurrected to judgment...
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    The taken and the left

    Young at heart, yes. Or at least I try to be. <smile> I’m well aware… <smile> It just struck me as totally irrelevant. <eye roll> They will depart, just as he tells them. And to what would you point in order to prove what you say here? They will not be taken in the sense you suppose, 1CL...
  6. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    No. This smile was about the person I was talking to. Indeed. <eye roll> <eye roll> Good day, Anchorite. Grace and peace to you.
  7. PinSeeker

    The taken and the left

    Nobody said they didn't... Hmmm... "And then will (Jesus) declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness’" (Matthew 7:23). "Then (Jesus) will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels...
  8. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    He says, with no reasoning behind it... Well that might make some sense, if I was trying, in any way whatsoever, to prove man does not have free will... And again, to say man has no free would be basically to say man does not have a brain and no ability to think, both of which are...
  9. PinSeeker

    The taken and the left

    Ahhh, well, not really willingly, but obediently... per Jesus's command. He will tell them, "Depart from Me, for I never knew you..." They will be able to do no other. <shudder> Weeeeeeeeeellllllllllll, sorrrrrtaaaaaaa... <smile> It's not like they will be able to fight against Jesus's...
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    The taken and the left

    Hmmm... The first resurrection is Jesus's, of course, now over 2000 years in the past. Christians come to "share in that resurrection" (Revelation 20:5), each at his own appointed time in his or her life... this is when we, individually, are born again and "made alive together with Christ⁠ ~...
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    Free Will

    <sigh> No... no, they don't, Danny Boy. They... "claim"... because God's Word is very clear on it... Jesus is, in fact, and Paul and Peter... that as a result of the fall, man is dead in the sin in which he walks and follows the course of this world, follows the prince of the power of the air...
  12. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    Good. Same here. <chuckles> Yes it iiiiiii-iiiisssssss... <smile> Yes you haaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaavvvve... <smile> But don't worry, you're not the only one... <smile> Yeah you and Danny Boy, here... You boys are... characters. <smile> "Ouch." <chuckles> Grace and peace to you.
  13. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    Well first of all, the devil never said such a stupid thing, and second (last) of all Calvin (and Calvinists of course) don't believe such a stupid thing. Well this is true for all... They falsely believe that Calvinists claim that, yes. <smile> I mean, if God actually wanted anyone to go to...
  14. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    It was rhetorical, which I guess you missed (again)... The bolding and enlarging of the word 'can't' was intentional and suggestive, which, truth be told I don't know whether you really missed or not, but the point is what I have said, at least in effect, many times: you refuse to accept that...
  15. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    <chuckles> Grace and peace to you, Dan.
  16. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    Why would you tell anybody to choose anything, if they... can't ...think or make decisions? I mean humility is a great thing; you might give it a try. But aside from that, yet another total miss... Cheers, though. Grace and peace to you.
  17. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    Grace and peace to you.
  18. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    The same to you, Bombastic. Maybe a big part of the problem with some, here, is that they don't really understand what it means... or just haven't given it much thought, maybe... that "in Him..." ~ in God ~ "...we live and move and have our being" (Paul, in Acts 17:28), and that we can "work...
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    Free Will

    No, I don't, Bombastic. Again, the term total depravity can be very confusing... it's a bit of a misnomer, unless understood properly, particularly with regard to the proper sense in which one can or can't do something. I don't ignore. It's kinda stupid, really. <smile> <smile>...
  20. PinSeeker

    Free Will

    She's a hoot, that's for sure... <chuckles> As do I. But again, the question is whether the man will or not. And, if left to himself, which is the case in the case of those who God gives up to their own selfish passions and desires (Romans 1), they will not. They could, because they know...