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I think this turns into a OSAS vs NOSAS debate. Personally I think all the verses that point to NOSAS are talking about Jews who believed in the coming Messiah and had that faith but when He came they ended up rejecting Him at some point. So it appears as if they were saved but when they commit...

You mentioned atheists and unbelieving Jews can’t be who 2 Thessalonians 2 is referring to. I agree, but it could be referring to Jews who believed and were zealous for the law (Acts 21:20). Those folks could’ve decided to stop believing Jesus was the Messiah and just stick with the law. John...

Here’s the thing, if a Preterist says the physical temple that was destroyed in 70AD was the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, people will argue that the physical temple was no longer holy or naos(holy of holies) after the vail was torn, God left that temple. If that’s the case then it also has to...

Do you know of any passages that say the naos has both truth and apostasy in it? I know the outer court of the temple can have both but I don’t think there are any references to the naos (holy of holies) itself containing both, except maybe 2 Thessalonians but that reference is debatable as to...

Well, I guess it depends on how these things are interpreted. I can’t find any other reference to something unclean even being in the temple (naos) with the naos still being holy. I’m thinking of Nadab and Abihu when they offered strange fire, that happened for a brief moment only before they...

I haven’t tried to research this but here’s what someone else said about the man of sin sitting in the temple … This was fulfilled by the Zealot leader Menahem in Jerusalem in AD 66. He "exalted himself" over every other Zealot contender for Daniel's prophesied Messiah role. Every one of...

Well, I can’t take you seriously either, did the Holy Spirit teach you there was only one day of the Lord when Thessalonians was written or do you have some verses that back up your claim?

What would make more sense is that Paul taught there was more than just one future day of the Lord and the Thessalonians thought they missed the first one, Paul then goes on to explain what was to take place prior to that next day of the Lord but not the final day of the Lord. I’m pretty sure...

2 Thessalonians 2:1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the...

Do you think it’s possible that right now you are mistaken about what the Holy Spirit teaches? Or are you certain about what the Holy Spirit teaches because the Holy Spirit Himself taught you that?

People can be wrong but the Holy Spirit can’t. If someone claims the Holy Spirit taught them an interpretation that we know is incorrect then that person is not only wrong on their interpretation but they are wrong on being able to know if it’s the Holy Spirit teaching them in the first place...

Yes, the Holy Spirit can help us understand scripture, but how is it that two people both claim the Holy Spirit helped them understand the scriptures with one person understanding the Premil view while the other understanding the Amil view? We don’t say it but if we conclude that the Holy Sprit...

Because that’s my personal belief, I (grafted branch) have a hard time believing that anyone who doesn’t interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4 the only one true way doesn’t have the Holy Spirit working in their lives. Ok, I agree. I haven’t heard anyone on this forum claim they believe the Bible says...

Right, you didn’t say that and I don’t believe that either. Would you then say each of the Amil, Premil, and Preterist views of 2 Thessalonians 2 are taught by the Holy Spirit, even though each of the views don’t agree with each other?

Yea, that’s probably the key thing, it has to be explicitly stated in the Bible, like Jesus is the Messiah. John 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Well, I don’t want to get into that debate but those who believe in a 70AD coming do back it up with scripture that says things like “last hour” and “I am coming soon”. I know you have an interpretation that explains why those phrases were used and why there was still approximately 2,000 years...

Sure, if we know Jesus didn’t come in 70AD then that makes sense. Someone may argue that it takes spiritual discernment to know that there was a coming in 70AD and therefore your argument doesn’t make sense. You have used physical evidence and logic in the past to conclude that there wasn’t a...

A preterist could claim that Jesus has already returned and then refer to 1 Corinthians 2:10-16 and say the Holy Spirit teaches that, and those who don’t believe that way don’t have spiritual discernment. I don’t think that would be a correct way of using those verses but nevertheless someone...

Sure, if that is what the future holds for believers then they should consider it pure joy. James 1:2Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.

He causeth all … to receive a mark …. If I understand you correctly, you’re interpreting this as a governmental law that is enacted. Currently we have laws on the books that are openly not being enforced, we have sanctuary cities where they are not enforcing immigration laws. If your scenario...