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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Because even sin/evil is used by God to accomplish His good purpose. What man thinks of as bad, God uses to bring about good. It is through experiencing both good and evil, mankind might come to know the goodness of God's mercy and grace given to those who are born again. Genesis 50:20 (KJV)...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Where in the Bible can we read Satan described in an un-fallen state, and that he was once good?
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Ezekiel 28 is a lamentation directed to a MAN, not to a spirit being called Satan. Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. You assume from this verse...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Totally different Bible??? I learned the doctrines I espouse mostly through the KJV of Sacred Scripture. Not sure what Bible your doctrine is derived from because you often make assumptions and give your opinions without proving from any translation of the Bible what you believe is FROM the...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Yes, he most certainly does! That's why it is so important to be born again of the Spirit of Christ.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Nowhere in Scripture can you prove Satan was created good and became the evil spirit called Satan. Adam and Eve, unlike the serpent were created in the likeness and image of God, having no knowledge of good or evil. They knew no evil until the serpent through evil tempted the woman. That's...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    I gave you the biblical meaning according to the Hebrew language. Subtil - H6175 עָרוּם ʻârûwm, aw-room' - ; cunning (usually in a bad sense):—crafty, prudent, subtil Derived from H6191 Strong's Hebrew Concordance - עָרַם ʻâram, aw-ram' - a primitive root; properly, to be (or make) bare...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    We need to be clothed in the full armour of God to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. We can only do this in/through the Spirit of Christ in us. As I said, the enemy works through the spirit in man. But greater is HE that is in us than he that is in this world. 1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Where does the Bible write that believers shall rule with Christ in glorified eternal bodies for one thousand literal years?
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    More copy and paste! It seems you believe if you repeat it often enough it will make it true! Been there, done that, not doing it again!
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Your reply is lacking Scripture to prove what you allege! Not interested in opinions and assumptions that cannot be shown FROM the Word of God.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Assumptions and opinions have little sway over truth! Prove what you allege FROM the Word of God.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    No it doesn't! How does Satan roam free as the spirit of this world? Paul tells us this evil spirit works in "the children of disobedience." That shows us how the spirit of this world can be roaming free throughout the earth, yet be bound from holding the nations of the world in bondage to...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Where do we read the serpent who was more subtil (cunning and crafty) than any of the beasts of the field was fallen? Again, that's assumption that cannot be biblically proven. You add your assumption by adding at the creation he was already fallen assuming after being created good??? John...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    I am a Christian Gentile, an inhabitant of the nations of the world that Satan had power to deceive by keeping me in fear over death. That power Satan had held me in was broken when I was born again. Because, since I have been born again the bondage to fear of death, and power of sin has been...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    He is assuming Satan was created before God created all things in the heavens, the earth and the sea in six days. He assumes what he cannot biblically prove.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    That verse is not speaking of how Satan was once good until he wasn't. Again, the lamentation is directed to a MAN, not the spirit of evil of this world called Satan. I gave you the answer, it is here: Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    I do agree Amigo! Sadly, I am not shocked at all, I too see what you see and know what you speak is true.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Why was Satan bound for a thousand (not one thousand) years? Scripture tells us "that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." So prior to being bound Satan had power to deceive the nations...