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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The Kingdom of heaven is the Kingdom of God. Yes, it is where heavenly Jerusalem is now spiritually found both above and within believers and being completed as the gospel is proclaimed through the power of the holy Spirit and the realm/dwelling place of God. Revelation 21:2 (KJV) And I John...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    How can believers know the Kingdom of God exists since they cannot physically see it?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    How do you prove that Daniel is writing of a bodily resurrection when he writes that many of the dead "shall awake" during this time he writes will be "a time of trouble"? Do you believe this passage from Matthew 27 that says "the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You haven't answered my question. You said that man is NOT born again when they believe. So, the question I asked again: If man is not born again when they believe why does John tell us we must be born again to both know and enter the Kingdom of God? (see Jo 3) There is no question about how...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    If man is not born again when they believe why does John tell us we must be born again to both know and enter the Kingdom of God? (see Jo 3)
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Resurrection is when anyone physically dead comes to life again. That's the problem many translations force into Rev 20 when they write the living souls of which John speaks had to come to life AGAIN! Why would they need to come to life AGAIN after physical death since the life they received...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    A believer is NOT resurrected when they believe! They are born again! Being born again is NOT a resurrection to life again! It's the process through which our natural spirit already possessing natural life is quickened (come to understanding spiritually) through the Spirit of Christ within...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    No, he doesn't. Paul uses the analogy of the seed to show how death of the body is when/how we become something entirely new. Just as plants growing from a single seed becomes new life. Paul says that which is quickened after our mortal body dies, will not be the same as the physical body...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are you saying the mortal body that dies is the seed that is planted?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    What are you referring to when you say, "a seed is planted"? What is the seed you say is planted?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Our physical mortal body is not raised and changed from mortal to immortal until the last trumpet sounds. But the life we have in Christ is ETERNAL! Yes, our mortal body after death returns to dust, but man is more than body of flesh. We are also spirit (breath of life) that gives physical...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Yes, Daniel's people who died in faith before the first advent of Christ were delivered to heaven spiritually, NOT physically! They were not bodily resurrected, because that will not be until the last trumpet sounds. They are the firstfruits unto the Lamb, the spiritual body of Christ in...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    1 Corinthians 15:12 (KJV) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? As we can see there was a question about how a mortal body of flesh (living souls) can be resurrected from the dead. Paul explains how man's living...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Lazarus was physically resurrected to physically die again. Is that the resurrection faithful saints are patiently awaiting? Not me! I long for the resurrection that shall be on the last day, when the last/seventh trumpet sounds, when my mortal/corruptible flesh will be changed to immortal...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Where is it biblically proven that the city these Old Covenant faithful saints went into is a physical city appearing to "many people"? How can you prove a bodily resurrection for these Old Covenant faithful saints without immortal/incorruptible physical body of flesh & bone? Why would they be...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    If you believe the many bodies of saints which slept were physically resurrected three days after the cross when Christ physically resurrected from the grave, then the one forcing contradiction into the Bible is not me, but YOU! NONE shall be bodily resurrected from the graves until an hour...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Please post the verses you are referencing.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Resurrection in every instance is always bodily from physical death to physical life. The graves that were opened after Christ physically resurrected are spiritual bodies of saints that were said to be asleep even though their bodies were physically dead in the graves. These saints of Old were...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    If Daniel had been referring to the resurrection of the physically dead in the hour that is coming, he would have written many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall be resurrected, not "shall awake". Because it is the mortal/corruptible body that shall be RESURRECTED from the dust...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Take care in the translation(s) you rely on. You'll find modern translations often bring their bias into the Bible. None of the below, before Westcott & Hort say "lived AGAIN". They tell us that even after death these faithful saints "lived and reigned with Christ." Not that they had to be...